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Posted: 12 October 2007 06:17 PM  
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If ever there was a miscarriage of justice this is it.  This verdict tells us that the police can do anything they want to our children, and never have to answer for it. What a shame, everyday we get closer and closer to police rule. I am glad I am an old person, I won’t have to be here to
see it happen.  I hope our Federal Government does a better job, than this local jury has done.
However I somehow doubt it. I have no faith in them either.  I have lived long enough to see our
country go down hill, our rights done away with, and our children battered and brused by those
we put our trust in. Boot camps were NEVER a good idea, it is just another word for Child Abuse.

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Posted: 12 October 2007 06:41 PM  
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sheelf1 - 12 October 2007 06:17 PM

If ever there was a miscarriage of justice this is it.  This verdict tells us that the police can do anything they want to our children, and never have to answer for it. What a shame, everyday we get closer and closer to police rule. I am glad I am an old person, I won’t have to be here to
see it happen.  I hope our Federal Government does a better job, than this local jury has done.
However I somehow doubt it. I have no faith in them either.  I have lived long enough to see our
country go down hill, our rights done away with, and our children battered and brused by those
we put our trust in. Boot camps were NEVER a good idea, it is just another word for Child Abuse.

Your right, lets see what the animals that prey on society daily would do with just one week without the police! People like you would be the first to scream and yell “Where are the Police when we need them”, because believe me, you would need them. You should be thankful that some still sign on to do the thankless job that Police do for poverty wages. You want them to live off their below average salaries, make split second life & death decisions and then be subjected to possible imprisonment if they make a mistake. Why don’t you volunteer your child for the job and continue your beliefs.

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Posted: 12 October 2007 06:53 PM  
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This kid might have been having issues and kudo to his family reaching out to the bootcamp to help him. Even if you were right and we do not know the full situation with this boy he certainly did not deserve to die at the hands of these individuals! His life as well as everyone else is worth something and they were wrong in the way they handled this. I said to my husband that knowing this was an all white jurty they would be geting away with murder and I am a caucasian person stating this!

Shame on this jury!!

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Posted: 12 October 2007 08:00 PM  
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This verdict was atrocious.  They should ALL have received a guilty verdict.  Find it unusual, not one black person on the jury; go figure.  I agree with others who have posted that they should have been given some kind of sentence.  Oh, and to “Reality”, unless you have raised children in recent years, you have no place in getting off stating how parents raise their children and what they wear, etc.  And, if you have raised teenagers who have not defied your rules in your home, kudos to you.  Even the greatest parents have an occasional problem teenager no matter what they do.  This boy deserved to live just like any other human being even if he was a problem to his family.  They tried to get help for their son and look what happened.

Guards and cops nowadays think they can do anything they want and not have to pay consequences for their actions.  I think they all should be carefully screened psychologically before hiring.  I am sure that there will be some rioting starting regarding this verdict, if it hasn’t started already.

Oh, by the way, I am caucasian.  I wonder if there will be an appeal?  Noticed it hasn’t been mentioned.  If this happened to my child, I would continue to pursue it one way or the other.  cool mad

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Posted: 12 October 2007 08:32 PM  
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I am a bit confused WHY this is turning into a racist thing?  half of the officers involved were not WHITE?  So it can not be said this decision was made because the officers were white and the young man was black.

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Posted: 12 October 2007 09:03 PM  
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I too think this is an outrage.  I do not believe that the force that the officer’s used on this boy was warranted.  This kind of thing cant go on and the message that this verdict sends is that it can.  My heart goes out to the family of this boy.

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Posted: 12 October 2007 09:16 PM  
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Dolphin68 - 12 October 2007 08:00 PM

This verdict was atrocious.  They should ALL have received a guilty verdict.  Find it unusual, not one black person on the jury; go figure.  I agree with others who have posted that they should have been given some kind of sentence.  Oh, and to “Reality”, unless you have raised children in recent years, you have no place in getting off stating how parents raise their children and what they wear, etc.  And, if you have raised teenagers who have not defied your rules in your home, kudos to you.  Even the greatest parents have an occasional problem teenager no matter what they do.  This boy deserved to live just like any other human being even if he was a problem to his family.  They tried to get help for their son and look what happened.

Guards and cops nowadays think they can do anything they want and not have to pay consequences for their actions.  I think they all should be carefully screened psychologically before hiring.  I am sure that there will be some rioting starting regarding this verdict, if it hasn’t started already.

Oh, by the way, I am caucasian.  I wonder if there will be an appeal?  Noticed it hasn’t been mentioned.  If this happened to my child, I would continue to pursue it one way or the other.  :coolmad:

Are you all kidding me. Yeah okay, lets riot and burn down our own neighborhoods, that will really make things better. I also wonder what the motive is behind the fact that people need to say that they are SUPPOSEDLY caucasion. Who cares! You are the ones making this a racial issue. Do I think that there still are racists in this country, you bet I do. Let me tell you though, there are just as many black, hispanic, muslim, asian and American Indian racists in this country as there are white. The problem is, that only the white population gets labeled as racist. Also, have you looked at the population percentages in Bay county? The reason the jury was made up of all whites is because there is only a fraction of other minorities in that county. What are they supposed to do now, bring in jurors from another county every time the ratio is not what the prosecution or defense likes. That is not how our justice system is run. I also have several friends who are Police Officers and I see and hear what they have to deal with every day in their jobs. Trust me when I say that they are held VERY ACCOUNTABLE for their actions and are scrutinized in the public way to much. I have personally observed what their jobs have done to them and I hear them say all the time that they are trying not to become cynical. I have also found myself telling them many times that they are crazy doing that job, but hey, I guess somebody has to do it.

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Posted: 12 October 2007 09:19 PM  
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The jury heard ALL (ALL) the evidence and came to there decision. I’m sure you all where not there for ALL (ALL) the evidence but you sure are ready to convict over 20-30 seconds of video. Stop with the race card because the verdict wasn’t what you decided it was in 20-30 seconds.

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Posted: 12 October 2007 09:28 PM  
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DOLPHIN wonders: I wonder if there will be an appeal? 

SH: The state cannot appeal to a higher court to reverse a jury’s acquittal.

The guards that killed this kid pretty much got over.

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Posted: 12 October 2007 09:33 PM  
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I was shocked when I saw how this ended. I feel so sorry for this boy’s family. It’s unbelievable....

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Posted: 12 October 2007 09:41 PM  
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Dolphin68 - 12 October 2007 08:00 PM

This verdict was atrocious.  They should ALL have received a guilty verdict.  Find it unusual, not one black person on the jury; go figure.  I agree with others who have posted that they should have been given some kind of sentence.  Oh, and to “Reality”, unless you have raised children in recent years, you have no place in getting off stating how parents raise their children and what they wear, etc.  And, if you have raised teenagers who have not defied your rules in your home, kudos to you.  Even the greatest parents have an occasional problem teenager no matter what they do.  This boy deserved to live just like any other human being even if he was a problem to his family.  They tried to get help for their son and look what happened.

Guards and cops nowadays think they can do anything they want and not have to pay consequences for their actions.  I think they all should be carefully screened psychologically before hiring.  I am sure that there will be some rioting starting regarding this verdict, if it hasn’t started already.

Oh, by the way, I am caucasian.  I wonder if there will be an appeal?  Noticed it hasn’t been mentioned.  If this happened to my child, I would continue to pursue it one way or the other.  cool mad

Newsflash Dolphin, The lawyers on both sides pick the jury.  Why blame the white jury?  Why even bring race into this??  Why blame the guards?  Blame the folks of this punk kid for not raising him right in the first place.  Since this kid is off the streets, it’s possible there will be one less car stolen, one less drug deal, one less rape, one less murder....  Too bad a lot of tax payers money went to waste with this.
Let all the blacks riot like they always do when they don’t agree with something...geezzz.  All they do is burn down their own neighborhoods and streets.  They are the ones that look like the idiots…

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Posted: 12 October 2007 09:58 PM  
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To convict these gentleman would have been a travesty ! The jury did the right thing !

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Posted: 12 October 2007 10:47 PM  
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Goodhands stole my thunder. All this bickering about a white jury -BOTH sides had to agree to the jurors.  Both sides were (evidently) satisfied that they had seated a jury that would listen to their side of the story.
Perhaps the prosecution went with too harsh a charge and because of that, weren’t able to get a conviction.  Who knows?  It has been said several times (and truthfully so) that WE have not had the priviledge of seeing the entire story.  Just as the old Rodney King video, we saw only the inciteful segment that the media wanted us to see.  We did NOT see what lead up to it, or even the entire incident in any way shape or form.
As a nurse (RN) I’m still puzzled at the animosity toward this nurse.  Scream ethics all you like, but nobody pays a nurse enough to risk their own life and limb.  I’m not a slightly built runt by any stretch of the imagination.  And I’m still not about to jump into a fight.  Lose her license?  At most, she should have had either a suspension or a mark in her record.  Her ordeal may well not be over yet anyway -that is entirely up to the board of nursing -and lest any of you think thats a hollow threat, think again.  Floridas’ board of nursing has a pretty harsh reputation -they do NOT have a reputation for being gentle or even forgiving.  She assessed the boy at the time.  Perhaps she should have initiated a higher level of care sooner, and been more forthcoming with information in her report.  I don’t know.  I wasn’t there.  But lose her license?  Please.  Nursing licenses aren’t just given away.
As for the guardsmen, well just like most, I was pretty appalled at the not-guilty verdicts, but then I only had the 20 seconds of video -and it was a pretty damning 20 seconds at that.  I’d really like to hear what was said, and to understand why they were found “not guilty”.  Pretty hard to throw the racist card, though, when half of the defendants (well half the guards) were also black.  Not that this little trivial truth will stop any who wish to incite a riot because they didn’t get their way.

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Posted: 13 October 2007 06:31 AM  
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Don’t say half of the guards were of color because the minute you do something the NAACP doesn’t agree with you are no longer black you are THE MAN. They have already come out with this.

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Posted: 13 October 2007 06:55 AM  
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Where was the family when this kid needed them?Or where were all the people who know best now?It seems that the news can put a short clip on the news and from that justice can be decided.If we do not trust the justice system then what would you put in its place.I retired from the dept of corrections and was able to see first hand what goes on.It is not sunday school people were put there because laws were broken and in this case the family could not control there son.Yes life is not fair a young man has died and a jury has sit and took what was presented to them and made a verdick.The people who are on the jury did not ask to be there.They need to be respected even if you do not agree.They had the everdience not just a short clip and a news report.

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