MLUV files a protest: I did not say that we have “all seen revenge”.
SH: Ummm, yeah. You actually typed we “have ALL seen, revenge....”
Sorry if I reduced the emphasis on the word “ALL”.
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MLUV: I’d love to live in your world where everything and everyone is just wonderful! I’m happy for you and hope that nothing mars that wonderful bliss that you seem to perceive.
SH: It’s a pretty cool way to live, I’ll admit. I’m glad I stopped fearing my fellow man. Turns out that he and she are for the most part, pretty much like me and a lot of fun to live with, work with and even chat on the Internet without having to ever get scared of each other.
MLUV files a protest: I did not say that we have “all seen revenge”.
SH: Ummm, yeah. You actually typed we “have ALL seen, revenge....”
Sorry if I reduced the emphasis on the word “ALL”.
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MLUV: I’d love to live in your world where everything and everyone is just wonderful! I’m happy for you and hope that nothing mars that wonderful bliss that you seem to perceive.
SH: It’s a pretty cool way to live, I’ll admit. I’m glad I stopped fearing my fellow man. Turns out that he and she are for the most part, pretty much like me and a lot of fun to live with, work with and even chat on the Internet without having to ever get scared of each other.
Steve,
You are very good at manipulation. And took my words out of context, knowlingly, to make your point appear more valid. Didn’t work, and it’s a tired trick.
I said, “As we have all seen, revenge has been exacted for LESS!” It means something totally different now doesn’t it?
Neither is anyone fooled by your condescending retorts, or your belittling tactics of others’ point of view.
NIGHTBIKER, I can dig staying anonymous if you’re burning some of your employer time or have any other reason to fear adverse bounce back from your employer based on your public expression. Guess that’s one reason over 25 years ago I stopped working for anyone that might harm me in that way.
I can certainly understand the drive to get away from such employers -though its not always so readily feasible for everyone. Where my position is concerned, well were I worked at previously (my ‘old’ floor) the manager and assistant mngr knew I was very conservative, and fairly (hell, very) outspoke about it -but they also knew they could count on me to know when and where it WASN’T the right place to assert ones’ politics -that being at work. They didn’t really care what I did outside of the hospital -so long as I didn’t try to speak FOR the facility (I’m not stupid) or bring the facility into it in any way shape or form. And I always followed that ideal -I never bring up where I work (other than to say ‘at a hospital -and in the Tampa Bay AREA there are over a dozen such facilities with that designation -I can think of half a dozen that I know of personally, and there are a lot more of them than that).
But the division I’m in now (Case management, ER -but CM in general) wouldn’t be nearly so tolerant -these folks have already shown me that they will look for problems, so I’m going to have to be more careful when the campaigns ramp up -because I’m very politically active, and I’m going to be for ‘08 as well. More so than in previous years or elections.)
I’m not going to tank a good job if I can help it -and if using a handle in uncertain areas is what I must do, then its only prudent. I certainly would never use my current one -for those who know me at work, well, it wouldn’t take a mental giant to figure out who ‘Nightbiker’ was -especially if they went to my site. Only a handful of us even ride to work -but anyway, I don’t hide my beliefs or my principles, and love or hate me, you certainly will know where I stand -and I always strive to stay true to my beliefs and positions.
NBIKER, the potential of having your livelihood threatened by honest, open public speech is real and I respect it as a reasonable motivator.
The founders of our country used a variety of psuedonyms while organizing the break from England and active particiapants and movers in political efforts over the past 250 years have done likewise.
However, I do observe that theer’s many folks who go covert thanks to the insulation provided by the Internet and there stated reasons are sure unduly paranoid.
It’s all good. At the end of most days, if someone happens to be taking a strong polticial or social opposition to something I happen to be working on, their choice to work behind a psuedonym will more often help ME than it will help them.
Kinda of a Win Win either way, especially if there’s some gravity to the issue(s) at hand.
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TOTAL SWERVE from Topic...You ever get up to Skippers Smokehouse for nighttime shows? The wife and I will be seeing Candye Kane on Sunday July 22
I’m going to create a promotional post in the ENTERTAINMENT forum because I always like to back her shows. I owe you at least one tall, cold one for thinking you were a lady and not a man, man.
I agree -in many (probably most) situations they are either being unduly paranoid (truthfully) or just wish to practice subterfuge for their own less than honest reasons. Either way, I don’t care -I’ll treat each as an individual and as usual, give the benefit of the doubt until I have reason to do otherwise.
-swerved.
Never heard of the place. I’ll pass it by the wife and see if she’s interested -could be a decent bike ride (grin).
It’s obvious I can’t get anything past your sharp eye.....lol
Wow Steve, that was so clever!
For someone who likes to toot his own horn in regards to his many accomplishments, i.e. experience on the internet, working with teenagers (Is that where you get your material from?), your many years of being on this earth, and oh yes, it appears that you’ve studied under Dr. Spock as well! Since you presume to know the why’s and where of the inner thoughts and actions of other people.
And yet it appears that you’re only lesson in life, after ALL of your experience, is learning how to be an arrogant and pompous ass.
The only thing that you have proven to me is just how little and small you can be. Again, you work with young people?? Now THERE’S a scarey thought!
Please continue on in patting yourself on the back. You are your most favorite fan!!!
Nightbiker,
Don’t stand too close to Steve a.k.a Einstein. Some of that muck might rub off!
It’s obvious I can’t get anything past your sharp eye.....lol
Wow Steve, that was so clever!
For someone who likes to toot his own horn in regards to his many accomplishments, i.e. experience on the internet, working with teenagers (Is that where you get your material from?), your many years of being on this earth, and oh yes, it appears that you’ve studied under Dr. Spock as well! Since you presume to know the why’s and where of the inner thoughts and actions of other people.
And yet it appears that you’re only lesson in life, after ALL of your experience, is learning how to be an arrogant and pompous ass.
The only thing that you have proven to me is just how little and small you can be. Again, you work with young people?? Now THERE’S a scarey thought!
Please continue on in patting yourself on the back. You are your most favorite fan!!!
Nightbiker,
Don’t stand too close to Steve a.k.a Einstein. Some of that muck might rub off!
I don’t know, I’m a pretty big fan of Steve as well. It just seems that he is a realist who is not afraid to tell it like it is at least the way he sees it. Now I don’t always agree with all his views(I do with most but not all) but he seems to look at all sides of an issue and make it clear as to what is fact and what is his opinion. I would have no problem with him or someone like him influencing my children and wish there were more people out there like him.
It’s obvious I can’t get anything past your sharp eye.....lol
Wow Steve, that was so clever!
For someone who likes to toot his own horn in regards to his many accomplishments, i.e. experience on the internet, working with teenagers (Is that where you get your material from?), your many years of being on this earth, and oh yes, it appears that you’ve studied under Dr. Spock as well! Since you presume to know the why’s and where of the inner thoughts and actions of other people.
And yet it appears that you’re only lesson in life, after ALL of your experience, is learning how to be an arrogant and pompous ass.
The only thing that you have proven to me is just how little and small you can be. Again, you work with young people?? Now THERE’S a scarey thought!
Please continue on in patting yourself on the back. You are your most favorite fan!!!
Nightbiker,
Don’t stand too close to Steve a.k.a Einstein. Some of that muck might rub off!
I don’t know, I’m a pretty big fan of Steve as well. It just seems that he is a realist who is not afraid to tell it like it is at least the way he sees it. Now I don’t always agree with all his views(I do with most but not all) but he seems to look at all sides of an issue and make it clear as to what is fact and what is his opinion. I would have no problem with him or someone like him influencing my children and wish there were more people out there like him.
He obviously doesn’t treat you the way he treats me! And that is, in belittling and patronizing retorts. I have no problem with people stating it like it is, but I DO have a problem with his obnoxious responses!
If you were on the receiving end of his retorts, you’d feel the same.
It’s a matter of respect for a point of view that is not your own. Which he lacks greatly. His responses many times are immature, childish, antagonistic, petty etc.
If you think that’s great and something to look up to, fine. I don’t! You let YOUR kids be taught and mentored by him. Mine would stay away!
It’s obvious I can’t get anything past your sharp eye.....lol
Wow Steve, that was so clever!
For someone who likes to toot his own horn in regards to his many accomplishments, i.e. experience on the internet, working with teenagers (Is that where you get your material from?), your many years of being on this earth, and oh yes, it appears that you’ve studied under Dr. Spock as well! Since you presume to know the why’s and where of the inner thoughts and actions of other people.
And yet it appears that you’re only lesson in life, after ALL of your experience, is learning how to be an arrogant and pompous ass.
The only thing that you have proven to me is just how little and small you can be. Again, you work with young people?? Now THERE’S a scarey thought!
Please continue on in patting yourself on the back. You are your most favorite fan!!!
Nightbiker,
Don’t stand too close to Steve a.k.a Einstein. Some of that muck might rub off!
I don’t know, I’m a pretty big fan of Steve as well. It just seems that he is a realist who is not afraid to tell it like it is at least the way he sees it. Now I don’t always agree with all his views(I do with most but not all) but he seems to look at all sides of an issue and make it clear as to what is fact and what is his opinion. I would have no problem with him or someone like him influencing my children and wish there were more people out there like him.
He obviously doesn’t treat you the way he treats me! And that is, in belittling and patronizing retorts. I have no problem with people stating it like it is, but I DO have a problem with his obnoxious responses!
If you were on the receiving end of his retorts, you’d feel the same.
It’s a matter of respect for a point of view that is not your own. Which he lacks greatly. His responses many times are immature, childish, antagonistic, petty etc.
If you think that’s great and something to look up to, fine. I don’t! You let YOUR kids be taught and mentored by him. Mine would stay away!
I actually have been on the receiving end of some of his retorts and I enjoy some antagonistic banter it stimulates the mind and ignites a little passion in your soul especially about things you feel strongly about. You just have to have a thick skin and not let things get to you. If it really bothers you that much maybe he is hitting on some truth you might not want to admit to yourself. I have been reading almost all of these forum topics over the last few weeks and while I respect your stance on what you believe you don’t seem as willing to try to see others points of view and believe your own to be the only truth and when people disagree it upsets you. Try to lighten up a little bit you might get a little more enjoyment out of life. Just my opinion though and you know what they say about opinions.
Hmm. Well, I certainly don’t feel like I’ve been slighted by him -in fact, very few on this board have had any issue with me (or vice/versa). I treat others as I’m treated -or when I’m feeling a bit more civil, I even treat others as I wish to be treated regardless of how they treat me (though I’ll admit the last is pretty rare. I’m definately old enough, and mature enough, to know (and acknowledge) I’m opinionated as hell, always in the right -even if I’m on both sides of the argument (grin) and that many don’t see things my way -which I figure is mostly because they haven’t figured it out for themselves yet- but in all seriousness, Steve hasn’t given me any undeserved grief so I have no issue with him anymore than I do you or most others on here. I’d happily knock back suds or any other beverage (my usual of late is water, actually -though my tastes run along Beer -Lagers especially- rums of various regions, wines to some extent -I could never keep scotch down, though -mores’ the pity since it is considdered one of the finer drinks- but I also enjoy Coke, sprite, most things with carbonation and a number without. I even enjoy ‘em with a bit of Vodka -and am known to carry a hip flask from time to time…
Hmm. Well, I certainly don’t feel like I’ve been slighted by him -in fact, very few on this board have had any issue with me (or vice/versa). I treat others as I’m treated -or when I’m feeling a bit more civil, I even treat others as I wish to be treated regardless of how they treat me (though I’ll admit the last is pretty rare. I’m definately old enough, and mature enough, to know (and acknowledge) I’m opinionated as hell, always in the right -even if I’m on both sides of the argument (grin) and that many don’t see things my way -which I figure is mostly because they haven’t figured it out for themselves yet- but in all seriousness, Steve hasn’t given me any undeserved grief so I have no issue with him anymore than I do you or most others on here. I’d happily knock back suds or any other beverage (my usual of late is water, actually -though my tastes run along Beer -Lagers especially- rums of various regions, wines to some extent -I could never keep scotch down, though -mores’ the pity since it is considdered one of the finer drinks- but I also enjoy Coke, sprite, most things with carbonation and a number without. I even enjoy ‘em with a bit of Vodka -and am known to carry a hip flask from time to time…
Well said and I like your taste in beverages, mine are quite similar especially the Lagers specifically of the Anheuser Busch variety. I saw Steve’s other post about going to Skippers Smokehouse and knocking a few back. I’ve lived here for over 15 years not far from there and have never been but heard it’s nice. I am going to see if the wife is interested and maybe we can make it a TBO forum get together.
It’s obvious I can’t get anything past your sharp eye.....lol
Wow Steve, that was so clever!
For someone who likes to toot his own horn in regards to his many accomplishments, i.e. experience on the internet, working with teenagers (Is that where you get your material from?), your many years of being on this earth, and oh yes, it appears that you’ve studied under Dr. Spock as well! Since you presume to know the why’s and where of the inner thoughts and actions of other people.
And yet it appears that you’re only lesson in life, after ALL of your experience, is learning how to be an arrogant and pompous ass.
The only thing that you have proven to me is just how little and small you can be. Again, you work with young people?? Now THERE’S a scarey thought!
Please continue on in patting yourself on the back. You are your most favorite fan!!!
Nightbiker,
Don’t stand too close to Steve a.k.a Einstein. Some of that muck might rub off!
I don’t know, I’m a pretty big fan of Steve as well. It just seems that he is a realist who is not afraid to tell it like it is at least the way he sees it. Now I don’t always agree with all his views(I do with most but not all) but he seems to look at all sides of an issue and make it clear as to what is fact and what is his opinion. I would have no problem with him or someone like him influencing my children and wish there were more people out there like him.
He obviously doesn’t treat you the way he treats me! And that is, in belittling and patronizing retorts. I have no problem with people stating it like it is, but I DO have a problem with his obnoxious responses!
If you were on the receiving end of his retorts, you’d feel the same.
It’s a matter of respect for a point of view that is not your own. Which he lacks greatly. His responses many times are immature, childish, antagonistic, petty etc.
If you think that’s great and something to look up to, fine. I don’t! You let YOUR kids be taught and mentored by him. Mine would stay away!
I actually have been on the receiving end of some of his retorts and I enjoy some antagonistic banter it stimulates the mind and ignites a little passion in your soul especially about things you feel strongly about. You just have to have a thick skin and not let things get to you. If it really bothers you that much maybe he is hitting on some truth you might not want to admit to yourself. I have been reading almost all of these forum topics over the last few weeks and while I respect your stance on what you believe you don’t seem as willing to try to see others points of view and believe your own to be the only truth and when people disagree it upsets you. Try to lighten up a little bit you might get a little more enjoyment out of life. Just my opinion though and you know what they say about opinions.
I agree completely with your LAST sentence! And if anything feel that it’s been Steve that’s not been able to gracefully accept another point of view. You sound just a tad biased towards him. Are you his brother? Father? Lover?
Anyway, as I said before, I love a good debate and get quite passionate about something I feel strongly about. Passion during a debate is a completely different matter from sarcasm and condescension! If I’ve EVER been guilty of the last two, then I apologize to anyone that I may have offended! Because it is NEVER intentional. I believe that with Steve it is however!
Sorry but, for me anyway, that isn’t acceptable. I like being treated with respect, as do most other people. You don’t always have to agree with me, but at the VERY least have respect for my right to an opinion. And I don’t think developing a thicker skin is the answer. And instead, people need to develop manners, and not make excuses for people who don’t know any better!
At any rate, it’s obvious you and I don’t agree. But, I’ve very much enjoyed debate you on the intricacy’s of HOW to debate like human beings!
Hmm. Well, I certainly don’t feel like I’ve been slighted by him -in fact, very few on this board have had any issue with me (or vice/versa). I treat others as I’m treated -or when I’m feeling a bit more civil, I even treat others as I wish to be treated regardless of how they treat me (though I’ll admit the last is pretty rare. I’m definately old enough, and mature enough, to know (and acknowledge) I’m opinionated as hell, always in the right -even if I’m on both sides of the argument (grin) and that many don’t see things my way -which I figure is mostly because they haven’t figured it out for themselves yet- but in all seriousness, Steve hasn’t given me any undeserved grief so I have no issue with him anymore than I do you or most others on here. I’d happily knock back suds or any other beverage (my usual of late is water, actually -though my tastes run along Beer -Lagers especially- rums of various regions, wines to some extent -I could never keep scotch down, though -mores’ the pity since it is considdered one of the finer drinks- but I also enjoy Coke, sprite, most things with carbonation and a number without. I even enjoy ‘em with a bit of Vodka -and am known to carry a hip flask from time to time…
“Steve hasn’t given me any undeserved grief.... end quote.
I’m happy for you two, that he hasn’t given you any undeserved grief. You are a part of his ‘good’ list! I on the other hand, appear to be on his s---t list!
So until your ‘ox has been gored’ by him, you’ll think he’s been just wonderful. Which is logical.
It’s all good with me. It’s the way of human nature to react exactly the way you and Nick23 have. And I don’t have a problem with it, or with either of you.
It’s obvious I can’t get anything past your sharp eye.....lol
Wow Steve, that was so clever!
For someone who likes to toot his own horn in regards to his many accomplishments, i.e. experience on the internet, working with teenagers (Is that where you get your material from?), your many years of being on this earth, and oh yes, it appears that you’ve studied under Dr. Spock as well! Since you presume to know the why’s and where of the inner thoughts and actions of other people.
And yet it appears that you’re only lesson in life, after ALL of your experience, is learning how to be an arrogant and pompous ass.
The only thing that you have proven to me is just how little and small you can be. Again, you work with young people?? Now THERE’S a scarey thought!
Please continue on in patting yourself on the back. You are your most favorite fan!!!
Nightbiker,
Don’t stand too close to Steve a.k.a Einstein. Some of that muck might rub off!
I don’t know, I’m a pretty big fan of Steve as well. It just seems that he is a realist who is not afraid to tell it like it is at least the way he sees it. Now I don’t always agree with all his views(I do with most but not all) but he seems to look at all sides of an issue and make it clear as to what is fact and what is his opinion. I would have no problem with him or someone like him influencing my children and wish there were more people out there like him.
He obviously doesn’t treat you the way he treats me! And that is, in belittling and patronizing retorts. I have no problem with people stating it like it is, but I DO have a problem with his obnoxious responses!
If you were on the receiving end of his retorts, you’d feel the same.
It’s a matter of respect for a point of view that is not your own. Which he lacks greatly. His responses many times are immature, childish, antagonistic, petty etc.
If you think that’s great and something to look up to, fine. I don’t! You let YOUR kids be taught and mentored by him. Mine would stay away!
I actually have been on the receiving end of some of his retorts and I enjoy some antagonistic banter it stimulates the mind and ignites a little passion in your soul especially about things you feel strongly about. You just have to have a thick skin and not let things get to you. If it really bothers you that much maybe he is hitting on some truth you might not want to admit to yourself. I have been reading almost all of these forum topics over the last few weeks and while I respect your stance on what you believe you don’t seem as willing to try to see others points of view and believe your own to be the only truth and when people disagree it upsets you. Try to lighten up a little bit you might get a little more enjoyment out of life. Just my opinion though and you know what they say about opinions.
I agree completely with your LAST sentence! And if anything feel that it’s been Steve that’s not been able to gracefully accept another point of view. You sound just a tad biased towards him. Are you his brother? Father? Lover?
Anyway, as I said before, I love a good debate and get quite passionate about something I feel strongly about. Passion during a debate is a completely different matter from sarcasm and condescension! If I’ve EVER been guilty of the last two, then I apologize to anyone that I may have offended! Because it is NEVER intentional. I believe that with Steve it is however!
Sorry but, for me anyway, that isn’t acceptable. I like being treated with respect, as do most other people. You don’t always have to agree with me, but at the VERY least have respect for my right to an opinion. And I don’t think developing a thicker skin is the answer. And instead, people need to develop manners, and not make excuses for people who don’t know any better!
At any rate, it’s obvious you and I don’t agree. But, I’ve very much enjoyed debate you on the intricacy’s of HOW to debate like human beings!
You say you have never intentionally offended anybody here yet you ask me if I am Steve’s lover? I may be biased towards his points of view because i agree with him but if you want to be treated with respect you need to show a little respect by not making comments like that. I may have struck a nerve with some of the comments I made but I don’t believe I was disrespectful in them. It seems you are guilty of the same things you are so upset at Steve for. Good thing I have a thick skin and am comfortable in my sexuality or I may have actually been offended by a comment meant to do just that.
