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Posted: 10 September 2007 03:51 PM  
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Please don’t use the word “insane”; I did, after all, say it was my interpretation based on my faith—and my faith tells me that Jesus is the way. Then again, that might seem “insane” to people who are not spiritual—I can certainly understand that.

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Posted: 10 September 2007 04:15 PM  
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namjah - 10 September 2007 03:51 PM

Please don’t use the word “insane”; I did, after all, say it was my interpretation based on my faith—and my faith tells me that Jesus is the way. Then again, that might seem “insane” to people who are not spiritual—I can certainly understand that.

that’s fine, I just happen to think that sort of thinking is insane. Sorry.

I’m spiritual, I’m just one of those people that doesn’t feel the need to express my beliefs all over a forum for people that couldn’t care less to read. I like keeping some aspects of my life to myself… now that must be insane.

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Posted: 10 September 2007 05:32 PM  
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Oh, I agree. Some people “wear their religion on their sleeve”—and that can be irritating to some.

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Posted: 10 September 2007 05:34 PM  
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namjah - 10 September 2007 02:34 PM
My interpretation would be that, if they had never heard of Jesus or read His word, then yes, they would not be condemned. It’s only if, upon hearing the Word and not accepting it is one judged.

that’s insane.

You don’t think that perhaps they will be judged by whom they choose and believe to follow?

Not really. Those that believe their Religion follows the only way to salvation and/or a fulfilled afterlife couldn’t possibly acknowledge the existence of other true ways. How would that be possible? Most if not all religions are absolute. If one is right, the others are wrong. However it’s possible that all of them are wrong.
How is that insane? it’s logical.

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Posted: 10 September 2007 05:53 PM  
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Stuka - 10 September 2007 05:34 PM

KaterPunk - 10 September 2007 03:12 PM
namjah - 10 September 2007 02:34 PM
My interpretation would be that, if they had never heard of Jesus or read His word, then yes, they would not be condemned. It’s only if, upon hearing the Word and not accepting it is one judged.

that’s insane.

You don’t think that perhaps they will be judged by whom they choose and believe to follow?

Not really. Those that believe their Religion follows the only way to salvation and/or a fulfilled afterlife couldn’t possibly acknowledge the existence of other true ways. How would that be possible? Most if not all religions are absolute. If one is right, the others are wrong. However it’s possible that all of them are wrong.
How is that insane? it’s logical.

I suppose that’s why I’ve never been one to sell out to organized religion.

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Posted: 10 September 2007 07:55 PM  
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KaterPunk - 10 September 2007 04:15 PM

namjah - 10 September 2007 03:51 PM
Please don’t use the word “insane”; I did, after all, say it was my interpretation based on my faith—and my faith tells me that Jesus is the way. Then again, that might seem “insane” to people who are not spiritual—I can certainly understand that.

that’s fine, I just happen to think that sort of thinking is insane. Sorry.

I’m spiritual, I’m just one of those people that doesn’t feel the need to express my beliefs all over a forum for people that couldn’t care less to read. I like keeping some aspects of my life to myself… now that must be insane.

And yet you are the one that started this thread!  Now THAT’S insane.

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Posted: 10 September 2007 08:00 PM  
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namjah - 10 September 2007 03:51 PM

Please don’t use the word “insane”; I did, after all, say it was my interpretation based on my faith—and my faith tells me that Jesus is the way. Then again, that might seem “insane” to people who are not spiritual—I can certainly understand that.

Agree.

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Posted: 10 September 2007 08:15 PM  
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KATER did not begin this thread espousing any core set of spiritual beliefs.

She merely presented the topic story and asked what readers thought about it.

Seems rather sensible.

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Posted: 11 September 2007 09:15 AM  
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SteveInClearwater - 10 September 2007 08:15 PM

KATER did not begin this thread espousing any core set of spiritual beliefs.

She merely presented the topic story and asked what readers thought about it.

Seems rather sensible.

Presenting the topic is ultimately also asking how you feel about it and what you believe.  Of course it’s going to head in that direction.  Katerpunk is no dummy.

And I’ve enjoyed this topic and ‘conversation’ with everyone.  I’ve learned a couple things, and that’s always a good thing!

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Posted: 11 September 2007 10:02 AM  
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SteveInClearwater - 10 September 2007 08:15 PM
KATER did not begin this thread espousing any core set of spiritual beliefs.

She merely presented the topic story and asked what readers thought about it.

Seems rather sensible.

Presenting the topic is ultimately also asking how you feel about it and what you believe.  Of course it’s going to head in that direction.  Katerpunk is no dummy.

And I’ve enjoyed this topic and ‘conversation’ with everyone.  I’ve learned a couple things, and that’s always a good thing!

If I wanted to ask how you felt about it and what you believe, I would have started the thread with “how do you feel about it and what do you believe?”.

I don’t mean to offend anybody, but I’m pretty sure you and I believe a wide range of different things, yet we both felt that this was silly.

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Posted: 11 September 2007 10:33 AM  
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KaterPunk - 11 September 2007 10:02 AM

MICHAELAJV - 11 September 2007 09:15 AM
SteveInClearwater - 10 September 2007 08:15 PM
KATER did not begin this thread espousing any core set of spiritual beliefs.

She merely presented the topic story and asked what readers thought about it.

Seems rather sensible.

Presenting the topic is ultimately also asking how you feel about it and what you believe.  Of course it’s going to head in that direction.  Katerpunk is no dummy.

And I’ve enjoyed this topic and ‘conversation’ with everyone.  I’ve learned a couple things, and that’s always a good thing!

If I wanted to ask how you felt about it and what you believe, I would have started the thread with “how do you feel about it and what do you believe?”.

I don’t mean to offend anybody, but I’m pretty sure you and I believe a wide range of different things, yet we both felt that this was silly.

Ok.

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Posted: 11 September 2007 03:55 PM  
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Yes this “trial” is silly.  What a waste of human effort. 

So why did God create hell?

It looks to me like he created humans just to torture them. Hell of course, is part of the torture.
So much for a loving God.

There’s hardly a page in that “good book” where he isn’t threatening or killing people. He demands blood sacrifices.  Put yourself in his place and wonder about why you would want blood.  What does it do for you?
Who would worship someone like that?
Kind of like the woman who continues to live with a guy with a bad temper who beats her up every time something isn’t just exactly right.

Those who plead “faith” are really afraid that everything they believe is a lie.
Too bad they do not have the courage and self confidence to do some research and learn to think outside their self mposed mental prison of “faith”.

They have been duped into believing “leading authorities” without any supporting evidence.
The maintenance of this ‘authoity mystique” depends on limiting access to information and limiting access to information that would lead one to challenge the position of authority.  They bombard your head with one point of view.  YOu are not allowed to know anything else.  Or you will go to the hell god created for you.

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Posted: 11 September 2007 06:40 PM  
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woah, ohzone. I think that was a little unnecessary

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Posted: 11 September 2007 07:14 PM  
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Human beings are spiritual and curious.  We are more than our physiology.

Believing in forces we cannot see led to the discovery of electricity and x-rays.

Religious insititutions stifle natural curiosity and tightly control our innate spirituality.

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ConcernedCitizen - 11 September 2007 07:14 PM

Religious insititutions stifle natural curiosity and tightly control our innate spirituality.

This is way too broad a generalization. Many famous scientists were religous men.

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