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Posted: 28 October 2007 07:46 AM  
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Bucs will beat Jags today. Final score: Bucs 20 Jags 10. The Mobile (AL) CBS TV Station will carry the game locally -So I don’t have to go to one of the Sports Bars to view it.
Bucs will show that they are at least the best NFL Team in Florida today regardless of how that scrimmage in London goes.

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Posted: 28 October 2007 08:43 AM  
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I’ll be AT the game today at Ray J. Rain, sleet, or snow, I’m gonna be there to cheer on my team! GO BUCS!!!It’s Halloween weekend guys, CHUCKY’S COMIN’ OUT!

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Posted: 28 October 2007 08:38 PM  
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Ouch, did that hurt!
Congrats on your heftier plate, Murkywatersteve, but again we clearly outplayed our opponent only to lose via mistakes.  Be careful on future wagers that don’t give enuff credit to the Bucs potential.
I’ll stick by my earlier post that they’ll only lose two more games.

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Posted: 29 October 2007 12:24 AM  
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cybuc - 28 October 2007 08:38 PM

Ouch, did that hurt!
Congrats on your heftier plate, Murkywatersteve, but again we clearly outplayed our opponent only to lose via mistakes.

SH: Jax rushed for as many yards.  They had better time of possession.  And they won the turnovers by 3-1.

I am baffled as to how one could conclude that the Bucs “clearly outplayed” anyone today.

Thanks for advice on keeping close eye on future games.  I’m pretty sure that after next week’s home loss to Zona and then the shocking loss in Week 11 at Atlanta that they won’t be giving away points on any future betting lines this season.

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Posted: 29 October 2007 09:40 AM  
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Here is what I took away from the game with Jacksonville:

Mistakes which were missing from the Bucs the first four weeks of the season have reared their ugly head in the second four weeks.

As I predicted in Steve’s betting line stream, Jacksonville was unable to pass except on rare occasion.  What I did not count on was their ability to run just enough all day to score a few points.  It did not help that Jacksonville blitzed a lot to put a ton of pressure on Garcia.  The offensive line could not hold up under that pressure, and at times Garcia was desperately throwing the ball away, forcing plays (with two interceptions), and running for his life (when was the last time he ran for 45 yards?)

I say two interceptions as the last one was not his fault - that was Ike Hillard who coughed up the ball on the hit and then Garcia got the third INT.  Garcia may have been off yesterday, but that was because the o-line did not give him the time to find people most of the time.  The amazing thing to me is that the Bucs were in this game until the end despite the fact they were turning the ball over all day.  Jacksonville was down by 6 points going into the fourth quarter despite the fact the Bucs were running a turnover deficit.

Jacksonville did not have a ton of success with only a four person rush, but add in a fifth and that was the end of the Bucs o-line. The Jaguars blitzed heavily during the game and Garcia’s play was the result.

Like I also said last week, 9-7 or 8-8 is going to win the NFC South unless New Orleans keeps playing the way it is on offense.  Still, next week New Orleans will also play Jacksonville (although with no passing attack by Jax, if New Orleans does not make mistakes they will win.) Houston is probably the next hardest game left for New Orleans, although Chicago (which cannot run) is still where the season ends on the road for New Orleans.  If NO loses those three games, then the best they can do is 9-7.  The rest of the schdule is playing the Rams, Cardinals, and Eagles, and the NFC South - which who knows if the teams in that division can offer a challenge.  It will depend on Tampa’s ability not to make mistakes, and Carolina’s ability to surprise people.

Carolina’s schedule is incredibly tough with Dallas, Tennessee, and other winning teams still on their schedule and since it is also 4-3, I don’t see it pulling away all of a sudden. 

That leaves us with Tampa (as ATL will not threaten anyone).  If we see the Tampa of the first four weeks making error-free football, they will be in the running in the end around 8-8 and 9-7.  However, if we continue to see the Tampa team that fumbles the ball (last week) or throws INTs (this week), then the season will self-destruct.  The Bucs are not good enough to overcome two or three turnovers.  They come close, but they have not demonstrated any ability to overcome giving the ball away.

I don’t think it as simple as Steve says the Bucs cannot score points - at times this year they have (Jax was another 20+ point output).  The big play has returned to Tampa - I saw last week on Fox that the Bucs in the NFC have the most 40+ plays for TDs in the NFL this year, which was surprising (they average one a game - which they did against the Jaguars as well).  It is also why they have been more competitive this year as it is a dimension that Garcia has added each and every week.

The NFC South is up for grabs, with the exception of Atlanta, anyone can win it at 9-7 or 8-8.  I beleive that is a realistic look at the division.

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Posted: 29 October 2007 12:32 PM  
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I guess we’ll have to change your moniker from Murkywatersteve to Mudwatersteve if you’ve come to the conclusion that TB won’t be able to beat Arizona at home & Atlanta there, as you clearly have a vision problem.  Are you sure you’re watching the right channel?  Maybe one less beer would help?

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Posted: 29 October 2007 01:27 PM  
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CYBUC, I always welcome fresh gloss, but for the record, I haven’t drank a beer since college in the late 1970s.

Gimme that good Irish whiskey and a nicely rolled phattie.  And make sure the serving wench is a cutie.

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Posted: 29 October 2007 02:18 PM  
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Irish, eh?  Now that explains everything.  Some smooth Cutty, for instance, wouldn’t give you these problems.

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Posted: 29 October 2007 04:53 PM  
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O-tay....After Bucs drop to 4-6, I’ll buy you a couple of consolation Cuttys over at TwoBuks in Clearwater during one of our football watching parties.

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Posted: 03 November 2007 09:36 AM  
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This is a Pivotal Weekend! If the Bucs can manage a win against Arizona, while the Saints and Panthers both lose then the Bucs are back in the driver’s seat as far as the divisional race.
It will be very interesting to see how the Saints do against the Jaguars one week after our own very close loss to that same team. Also want to see how the Panthers do against the Titans-The last team the Bucs beat.
However,if they BOTH win while we lose then maybe it will be over as far as playoffs and winning season chance go.

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Posted: 03 November 2007 10:28 AM  
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With the way this season has gone, I’m content with 4-4. Granted, we should be 6-2. With Atlanta and the Mike Vick problems, Carolina and Dehloumme(what a year he was having) out and the Saints slow start ( although they look to be ramping up here) we’ve been fortunate to still be in the race. Assuming we make the playoffs, we’ve got to look at it from a standpoint of who are we playing? Every game is different. We’re capable of beating ANYONE, it’s just a matter of getting up and eating a hearty plate of wheaties that day. They are not as good as the gracious 8th rating they carried early in the season, but they are no worse than any other team in our division. They are a top 5 team in our conference though.

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Posted: 03 November 2007 03:00 PM  
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"They are a top 5 team in our conference though.”

SH: Dallas, NYGiants, GB Packers, Detroit Lions, Seattle Seahawks, New Orleans Saints and guess who? - Arizona Cardinals push the Bucs to 8th at best within NFC.

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Posted: 05 November 2007 01:44 PM  
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SteveInClearwater - 03 November 2007 03:00 PM

“They are a top 5 team in our conference though.”

SH: Dallas, NYGiants, GB Packers, Detroit Lions, Seattle Seahawks, New Orleans Saints and guess who? - Arizona Cardinals push the Bucs to 8th at best within NFC.

Hmm.... why I don’t make statements like this about games.  Arizona apparently was unable to do much with the ball despite having multiple chances at the end to tie the game.  Instead, the failed to cover the line although I made nothing since I bid nothing on this game (did much better on the Colts/Patroits game where the Colts covered and the Tenn/Carolina game where TN covered).

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Posted: 05 November 2007 02:39 PM  
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heh.....Can’t get your nose honked unless you’re willing to stick it out there

Seems we can cross ZONA off the list of NFC teams that can beat Bucs....I’m officially promoting them (TBay) up to 7th in my NFC power rankings, just a nose ahead of Eagles, Panthers, Vikings and tied (for now) with Redskins.

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Posted: 06 November 2007 04:49 AM  
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SteveInClearwater - 05 November 2007 02:39 PM

heh.....Can’t get your nose honked unless you’re willing to stick it out there

Seems we can cross ZONA off the list of NFC teams that can beat Bucs....I’m officially promoting them (TBay) up to 7th in my NFC power rankings, just a nose ahead of Eagles, Panthers, Vikings and tied (for now) with Redskins.

I think you listed six teams in front of the Bucs in addition to Arizona:

Sic: “SH: Dallas, NYGiants, GB Packers, Detroit Lions, Seattle Seahawks, New Orleans Saints and guess who? - Arizona Cardinals push the Bucs to 8th at best within NFC.”

So I take it then you have promoted the Redskins to be as good as the Bucs?  Very possible, and considering it is a road game, it will be a tough game for the Bucs.  Saints already lost to the Bucs, but I can see why you rank them ahead considering their offense right now is staying ahead of the pourous defense.  A little thing can knock them off and they will not do anything come post season because oustanding defenses have been winning the Super Bowl as of late, not high-powered offenses (Colt’s last year won on defense although the offense was able to score points).  Note: The only winning team the Saints have to play here on out is Tampa, which makes the team’s life much easier. 

Depending on the Saints ability to keep outscoring opponents ahead of its below-average defense, that will determine how their season goes.  If they face a good defense with an average offense, they will be in trouble.  Fortunately for them, there are no above average defeness in the NFC South.  The best of the bunch is Tampa’s, which in points allowed, is a little above average this year.

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