CSH rues: The Real ID is the beginning of the Mark of the Devil…

SH: lol...Comedy Gold

i think the real id should be use for poeple who are commit crimes so you know who your dealing with and have a data with onxe they are let of jail i think the goveremnent should keep out who the release with over crowding in jail poeple are being let out all the time and not serve there a full time i think they shouldhave the id as well good citzens shuold pay the price for the rest of the poeple who do right as far as the 666 thing it is real the new world order was once in affect and although they hide they are working in the back round but america doesnt know it yet but anyone can bring forth a prohecy if they wanted too i mean if russia and china are really pissed of usa they can nuke us if they want i think we as poeple need to stay away for these prophecy like 666 the and the new world because they can cause a controled citzen where you would get a or mark on your hand or forhead hitler give out marks on jews to be killed i think if we pursue this way of thinking we will see come to pass in our time there a time for everything a movie is a movie reality is anther its really sad but poeple seem to time end the world now thinking to me that doesnt makes sense there are evil poeple out there looking to control the goverement if we contunue to pursue big brother that just one more step to the end all we need now is a crazy man controling the world with a one world attude poeple say president is is wrong in leaving the troops in iraq they need to be there we need a presents in iraq to montior the middle east i dont knoe if you remember but at one time isreal was attack on the first gulf war the mulsims want to detstory isreal they have fighting for thosaund of years and we are the first nation to protect them and stand up for them we need to be there because without our presence there can be detroyed and wipe off the earth im a chrsitain and think more should done to protect isreal as a citzen of the usa it would be in vien if we went to war in world one and not protect a nation from being elimated they solider who died in war world 2 would never forgive us back to the ids like i said the ids should use for poeple who commit crime and people who cant be trusted should be montiored not poeple who pay there taxes and living here legally we need to stand up freedom and being free is doing the right thing i believe 911 happen be we stood up isreal and we payed the price keep that in mine the next time i want the troop home as much as anyone else but we need to have a presence in the midlle east i want to remeber why we went to war not because of oil but becuase we are defending a nation to have the right to exist

L.J. - 30 November 2007 01:15 PM

Now on the other hand, if you want to discuss the real id, yeah, this kind of thing has never been done before in america.  It brings over 200 million Americans under a uniformly defined way of identifying each and every one of them. 

First of all, they take an in-place system, which was originally used simply to make sure you can DRIVE properly, then they attach all the subsequent stuff (insurance, photo id, check writing etc.) they can, and it becomes an important piece of identifying paper. 

Now we have chip technology and the stakes get higher.  Lots and lots of information can be stuffed into this one card. 

Course the states will have to do their job and keep your information up-to-date.  If they don’t, you are gonna lose some work days sorting it all out.  Currently, the proposed rule does not make states accountable for the personal information they are required to collect and they REALLY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, given their history of ineptitude.

Despite everyone’s best efforts, errors will occur and it will be necessary for people to have those errors corrected. The proposed rule does not contemplate such errors. WHAT??????  Now is that stupid or what?  And they should also provide you with a notice of what they are doing with your infomation.

At a minimum, the privacy notices should include:
• Details of personal information collected
• Details of data processing verifying collected data, including the source data against which the
collected data is verified
• Personal information stored, including the retention period
• Purposes for which information is collected, used, retained, and disclosed to others; specified
purposes should be clear, limited and relevant
• Safeguards used to protect personal information from unauthorized access, use, or compromise
• Procedures by which individuals will be notified of changes to information management
practices, including the ability to opt‐out, as appropriate
• Methods employed to assure compliance with the stated practices such as monitoring, audits,
and compliance verification
• Mechanisms for complaints and redress, including available processes for individuals to utilize

That individuals are able to look at their information held by others is an accepted privacy principle. This principle includes providing YOU with the ability to question and to correct inaccuracies in personal information collected and stored by others. Currently, the proposed rule does not require states to provide that access.

and here is the “scary part” if you will......

The proposed rule does not require states to implement controls that would limit the purpose
for which information is collected and limit the use of that information to the stated purposes.

Commercial entities have already begun exploiting this low‐cost retrieval process and are generally gathering more information than is needed for their purpose. To make things worse, there is the likelihood that certain data will be used beyond the limited purpose for which it was gathered.

In the end, and this is stated goal DHS,on the subject of REAL ID, envisions a ʺfederatedʺ system, with different parties playing different roles in partnership. 

and that my friends is our preamble to fascism.

Real ID Exploited Easily By Hackers
All should visit this site recently Posted on YouTunbe.com explaining how the RFID Chip can be exploited easily by hackers.
You mentioned making sure your information is correct on the new RFID...and states will not be responsible to insure your private info is correct or safe from businesses and Hackers.

Hackers can actually scan the device and delete information on the chips technology since it is what our computer engineers call FEPROM...the chip can be erased and new programmable info programmed onto it.
Real ID Technology Easily Exploited By Hackers
You will see a video of how to protect your new RFID...but what happens when it is used at some burger shop, or retailer? How safe is my privacy there with some poor underpaid employee looking to make a quick buck selling my stored information on their data base?

Bavarialand has posted the Real ID Act on the National News thread. It is quite different from what has been posted here!

Some may believe my post about RFID (Real ID) with the RF chip (Radio Frequency Chip) is being paranoid or possibly a hoax…

One of the five will require interaction between states (Driver License Exchange)
The other four (Passport, Social Security, Birth Records, and Legal Presence) will require interfaces with federal systems, in other words some states will share and require more information on the RFID.

In the Washington state pilot, the driver license/border crossing cards will contain [url=http://blog.cdt.org/2007/12/07/the-real-id-boondoggle-drags-on/]RFID chips readable from as much as 30 feet away. Though the chips contain only a single number referencing a DHS database entry, the technology could be used by terrorists to pick Americans out of a crowd.http://www.homelandstupidity[/url]


nemo tenetur seipsum accusare no man is bound to accuse himself

What the privilege protects against is compulsion [/url]of ‘’testimonial’’ disclosures; requiring a person in custody to stand or walk in a police lineup, to speak prescribed words, to model particular clothing, or to give samples of handwriting, fingerprints, or blood does not compel him to incriminate himself within the meaning of the clause, although compelling him to produce private papers may.Great Idea, Excellent for Law Enforcement...?
I respect our law enforcement safety....but do you trust those criminals that use the weak technology against you? Do you believe what the government is telling you?

A variety of reasons and excuses have led to a convergence of physical and virtual Real ID.

Before you decide I am a paranoid freakin geek...go to these sites…

Real ID Privacy threats to all American’s
Stand Up & Say No To Real ID
No Real ID Is Save

Throughout our history (and mostly metaphorically for us today) the difference between being dinner or diner depended upon our ability to read and decipher physical cues to behavior.  There are a lot of hard-wired mechanisms in each of us that tie our trust of another to physical attributes we can perceive.  Leaving aside for the moment whether those mechanisms function effectively or not, a lot of us reserve our trust for another to those from whom we can derive clues to their character from their physical person.  Our social interaction and enforcement mechanisms are based on physical restraints and punishment.  The virtual world disrupts those mechanisms.  Additionally, I believe the anonymity of the virtual world has disabled some restraints that prevented most people from performing a variety of acts.  Some of these acts result in an explosion of creativity and invention.  Others lead to an explosion of mischief and crime.
Sean O

Computer Show Host - 24 December 2007 11:20 AM

Some may believe my post about RFID (Real ID) with the RF chip (Radio Frequency Chip) is being paranoid or possibly a hoax…

If you still believe that...check out this site about the RF Chip...hey guys and girls RF means Radio Frequency Id means using your drivers license for law enforcement and DHS to enable scanning the RFID from a distance of 3 feet.
A key component of Real ID is the integration of five electronic verification scanning systems
KEY WORD HERE “ELECTRONIC VERIFICATION SCANNING”

One of the five will require interaction between states (Driver License Exchange)
The other four (Passport, Social Security, Birth Records, and Legal Presence) will require interfaces with federal systems, in other words some states will share and require more information on the RFID.


In the Washington state pilot, the driver license/border crossing cards will contain [url=http://blog.cdt.org/2007/12/07/the-real-id-boondoggle-drags-on/]RFID chips readable from as much as 30 feet away. Though the chips contain only a single number referencing a DHS database entry, the technology could be used by terrorists to pick Americans out of a crowd.http://www.homelandstupidity[/url]



It’ll be interesting to see if this ruling holds up:

What the privilege protects against is compulsion [/url]of ‘’testimonial’’ disclosures; requiring a person in custody to stand or walk in a police lineup, to speak prescribed words, to model particular clothing, or to give samples of handwriting, fingerprints, or blood does not compel him to incriminate himself within the meaning of the clause, although compelling him to produce private papers may.

“nemo tenetur seipsum accusare” “no man is bound to accuse himself”!


Great Idea, Excellent for Law Enforcement...?
I respect our law enforcement safety....but do you trust those criminals that use the weak technology against you? Do you believe what the government is telling you?

A variety of reasons and excuses have led to a convergence of physical and virtual Real ID.


Before you decide I am a paranoid freakin geek...go to these sites…


Real ID Privacy threats to all American’s
Stand Up & Say No To Real ID
No Real ID Is Save

Throughout our history (and mostly metaphorically for us today) the difference between being dinner or diner depended upon our ability to read and decipher physical cues to behavior.  There are a lot of hard-wired mechanisms in each of us that tie our trust of another to physical attributes we can perceive.  Leaving aside for the moment whether those mechanisms function effectively or not, a lot of us reserve our trust for another to those from whom we can derive clues to their character from their physical person.  Our social interaction and enforcement mechanisms are based on physical restraints and punishment.  The virtual world disrupts those mechanisms.  Additionally, I believe the anonymity of the virtual world has disabled some restraints that prevented most people from performing a variety of acts.  Some of these acts result in an explosion of creativity and invention.  Others lead to an explosion of mischief and crime.
Sean O

nemo tenetur seipsum accusare no man is bound to accuse himself

L.J. - 30 November 2007 01:30 PM

I actually found this hilarious.....

Will a national database be created that stores information about every applicant?

No. The REAL ID Act and these regulations do not establish a national database of driver information. States will continue to collect and store information about applicants as they do today. The NPRM does not propose to change this practice and would not give the Federal government any greater access to this information.

who comes up with these questions?  Of course there WILL be a national database, if you believe there will not be then why does the DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY WANT REAL ID.  lol.

Seems everyone knows more about the RFID chip data…

Sensenbrenner Reaction to REAL ID Regulations Issued by DHS

http://sensenbrenner.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=81689

Contact: Raj Bharwani (202) 225-5101
Sensenbrenner Reaction to REAL ID Regulations Issued by DHS

Washington, DC, Jan 11 -

Former Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Representative F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-Menomonee Falls), issued the following statement on the REAL ID regulations issued by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) today:

“When Congress passed my REAL ID legislation in 2005, we set a deadline of 3 years after the date of the bill’s enactment for states to come into compliance with this law.  Unfortunately, today’s announcement by DHS does not reflect the will of Congress, nor the recommendation of the 9/11 Commission.

RFID & Passports

An excerpt from the article “The Diver’s Guide to Passports”; March 2008 issue of Scuba Diving Magazine, page 39 & 40:

“Is my information safe?”
Passports with RFID technology have caused some controversy among people who fear their personal information may be scanned, stolen or used to track their whereabouts, but the State Department claims it has addressed potential leaks in the system with integrated security features. Here’s how it works: The RFID chip in these passports is “passive”, meaning it has no internal power supply. When a border agent takes your passport, he or she will place it close—about four inches-- to a RFID reader, which sends a signal to the chip requesting its information. This signal includes enough power to turn the chip on so it can fulfill the request. To keep potential baddies from using their own reader and “skimming” your passport info while you’re out on your travels, a radio-frequency (RF) blocking material is incorporated into the cover of the passport. This blocks signals from getting in or out when it’s closed. When the passport is open, the chip is unencumbered by the blocking material and can communicate with a nearby reader. Some e-passport holders who worry this may not adequately block the transmissions choose to carry their passports in specially designed bags or wallets also equipped with RF blocking materials—or if you’re a frugal neurotic you can create a poor man’s “Faraday Cage” (a metal enclosure that blocks wireless signals) by simply wrapping the whole thing in aluminum foil.
The State Department also tells us that protecting the chip’s signal is simply the first line of defense as there are added security features built into the electronic information itself, suggesting that just because someone could potentially read your information, they can’t necessarily do much with it. The obvious feature is the photograph. The electronic file contains a digital image that should match a visual confirmation of the passport photo printed on the inside front cover. This digital image can also work with biometric facial recognition programs that measure facial features using footage from surveillance cameras around your port of entry and match them against a photo database. If any of these photo evaluations don’t match up, border control will have reason to investigate.

Some REAL information!