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GOP Debate In St. Pete
Posted: 28 November 2007 07:59 PM  
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Who came out ahead in the debate tonight? Giuliani, Romney, McCain, the activists, the MSM?

You tell us.

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Posted: 28 November 2007 11:27 PM  
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The Dems.The Republican party just proved tonight they dont have a clue.Not one mention about soaring gas prices when You-Tube had more people submiting questions about it than any other Subject.Including the Insurance crisis,Which by the way was not even mentioned.HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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Posted: 29 November 2007 02:13 AM  
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Was there a republican debate going in St Peterberg last night??

At a time when we as Americans are struggling with this economy and the holidays are coming with most being overtaxed ,no health insurance,gas prices through the roof, many are losing their homes.etc. What could any of these candidates say to us right now that would impact any of us at this time. Everyone pushed the primary up but not the presidential election. This country needs a presidentail election soon before more Americans can’t afford to live in and work in America anymore.

Does anyone know how many different languages it was braodcasted in? Did anyone do in in English? If so. Maybe there is some hope for The United States of America after all.

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Posted: 29 November 2007 11:02 AM  
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jacque - 29 November 2007 02:13 AM

Was there a republican debate going in St Peterberg last night??

At a time when we as Americans are struggling with this economy and the holidays are coming with most being overtaxed ,no health insurance,gas prices through the roof, many are losing their homes.etc. What could any of these candidates say to us right now that would impact any of us at this time. Everyone pushed the primary up but not the presidential election. This country needs a presidentail election soon before more Americans can’t afford to live in and work in America anymore.

Does anyone know how many different languages it was braodcasted in? Did anyone do in in English? If so. Maybe there is some hope for The United States of America after all.

Hey, Jacque, if you really want to see overtaxed, just vote in a Democrat.  In case you have a very short memory, Bush CUT tax rates, which affected EVERYONE, not just the rich, as the Dumbocrats would have you believe.  Every single Dumbocrat candidate has ben calling for tax INCREASES.  As far as people losing their homes, I don’t feel sorry for most of them, at least not the ones who just HAD to have a McMansion and bought in over their heads without thinking about the absolute fact that the interest and payments on their adjustable rate mortgages was going to go up after the first year or so.  Call me heartless if you want, but your comment is just plain stupid!  At least I know enough to ask questions and do the math to know what my payments are going to be.  It also requires READING skills to read the contract.  I am so tired of people who won’t take responsibility for their actions and decisions and then expect to either sue someone or have the government bail them out.

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Posted: 29 November 2007 11:21 AM  
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abuela1942 - 29 November 2007 11:02 AM

jacque - 29 November 2007 02:13 AM
Was there a republican debate going in St Peterberg last night??

At a time when we as Americans are struggling with this economy and the holidays are coming with most being overtaxed ,no health insurance,gas prices through the roof, many are losing their homes.etc. What could any of these candidates say to us right now that would impact any of us at this time. Everyone pushed the primary up but not the presidential election. This country needs a presidentail election soon before more Americans can’t afford to live in and work in America anymore.

Does anyone know how many different languages it was braodcasted in? Did anyone do in in English? If so. Maybe there is some hope for The United States of America after all.

Hey, Jacque, if you really want to see overtaxed, just vote in a Democrat.  In case you have a very short memory, Bush CUT tax rates, which affected EVERYONE, not just the rich, as the Dumbocrats would have you believe.  Every single Dumbocrat candidate has ben calling for tax INCREASES.  As far as people losing their homes, I don’t feel sorry for most of them, at least not the ones who just HAD to have a McMansion and bought in over their heads without thinking about the absolute fact that the interest and payments on their adjustable rate mortgages was going to go up after the first year or so.  Call me heartless if you want, but your comment is just plain stupid!  At least I know enough to ask questions and do the math to know what my payments are going to be.  It also requires READING skills to read the contract.  I am so tired of people who won’t take responsibility for their actions and decisions and then expect to either sue someone or have the government bail them out.

EXCUSE ME!!!!!  But this country had a SURPLUS of money when BUSH took office.....he has spent us into TRILLIONS AND TRILLONS OF DEBT. 

Cut taxes?  You republicans make me laugh.  Go look at history, it is the republicans every damn time that ALWAYS make whoopee with corporate america all the while giving it in the bumb to middle and poor america. 

You know why Democratic leaders HAVE TO CALL FOR INCREASES BECAUSE YOU IDIOT REPUBLICANS PUT US IN DEBT EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU GET IN OFFICE.

I am so tired of people who won’t take responsibility for their actions and decisions and then expect to either sue someone or have the government bail them out.

and so, since your god like bush put us trillions in debt....what, pray tell, would you have the next president do to correct that debt, cuz bush sure as hell isn’t going to do anything.

talk about heartless and stupid....sheesh.

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Posted: 29 November 2007 11:31 AM  
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jacque - 29 November 2007 02:13 AM

Was there a republican debate going in St Peterberg last night??

At a time when we as Americans are struggling with this economy and the holidays are coming with most being overtaxed ,no health insurance,gas prices through the roof, many are losing their homes.etc. What could any of these candidates say to us right now that would impact any of us at this time. Everyone pushed the primary up but not the presidential election. This country needs a presidentail election soon before more Americans can’t afford to live in and work in America anymore.

Does anyone know how many different languages it was braodcasted in? Did anyone do in in English? If so. Maybe there is some hope for The United States of America after all.

Got to agree with your sentiment Jacque. 

What can they say.  I feel too, like this country is going into a financial depression.  The dollar has fallen i think as low as it has ever been and Venezula and Iran are conspiring to put our economy in the trash can through their oil alliances.

If we are not careful, we could (and probably will, if a republican gets elected) end up in a bigger depression than this country has ever seen.  My parents saw a depression era, it was not good.  Work programs for young men out west, but what would they do now?  My father worked all day for less than a dollar, hard manual labor.

Times were very hard.  I just hope we get some people with some friggin sense in the whitehouse this time, the rich don’t have to work, but middle and poor america will have it very hard.  Heck most of us do now.  Thats why people are losing thier homes.  and heartless people everywhere dont care.

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Posted: 29 November 2007 05:16 PM  
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Trainwreck politics at its best! Neither side, Dems or Reps, have a decent candidate. We face another Jimmy Carter backlash to Nixon repeat in 08. Some schmuck with no plans to listen to the U.S. citizens. McCain is the only one listening, and he ruined his chances by working for Immigration reform with Mel Martinez. Sen Mel Martinez should be voted out in 08.

G W Bush ruined the GOP, and Bill / Hillary ruined the Dem Party. Nothing left but extremists creating a Banana Republic here. Diversity and multi-culturalism never formed the basis for any strong republic at anytime in recorded history, yet we are led to believe that it will now.

We need a leader who will represent us, not an idealogue who will shove his or her one world order idealology down our throats.

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Posted: 29 November 2007 05:28 PM  
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"Debate”?

I did hear of a 90 minute Republican infomercial, but passed in preference to watching the Rockets and Suns on ESPN.

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abuela1942 - 29 November 2007 11:02 AM

In case you have a very short memory, Bush CUT tax rates, which affected EVERYONE, not just the rich, as the Dumbocrats would have you believe.  Every single Dumbocrat candidate has ben calling for tax INCREASES. 

How much tax has to be paid is directly related to how much the government spends.  If the taxpayers don’t pay government expenses today, they must pay taxes plus interest later.

Starving federal revenues to give the wealthiest million dollar tax breaks - while also giving the middle class a few hundred dollars - is a “feel good” ploy by the White House to buy your love.

The SPEND AND SPEND AND BORROW AND SPEND Republicans jacked up the national debt to over $9 trillion dollars.  The debt service on all that GOPlunder is nearly 1/2 $Billion dollars per year.  Your taxes pay that interest to the Treasury.

This is akin to you running up your credit cards over the limit after a pay cut, and then expecting your economic situation to improve on its own.

The only ways to stop hemorraging all that interest would be to stop letting Republicans loot the treasury with their runaway spending, and start paying down the balance with taxes.

It’s only sensible.

abuela1942 - 29 November 2007 11:02 AM

Call me heartless if you want, but your comment is just plain stupid! 

You fell for the old line about “Tax and Spend Democrats”, when it is the Drunken Sailor Republicans who have proven beyond any doubt that they are irresponsibly reckless with the checkbook. 

How stupid is that?

abuela1942 - 29 November 2007 11:02 AM

At least I know enough to ask questions and do the math to know what my payments are going to be. 

But you’re not bright enough to figure out who pays for out-of-control Republican deficit spending.

It’s time people like you figure out that you’re shifting the blame for high taxes away from the party that actually causes high taxes. 

The Republicans have not been held accountable for their waste, fraud and abuse.  Hold them all responsible, or the blame belongs squarely on you.

abuela1942 - 29 November 2007 11:02 AM

I am so tired of people who won’t take responsibility for their actions and decisions and then expect to either sue someone or have the government bail them out.

I’m glad we agree on this.  Now do something about it - call your local Republican legislator or congressman and demand that they stop all the borrow and spending.

Conservatives stew as Bush spending grows

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Posted: 02 December 2007 01:18 PM  
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Been_There_Done_That - 29 November 2007 05:16 PM

Diversity and multi-culturalism never formed the basis for any strong republic at anytime in recorded history, yet we are led to believe that it will now.

Human history is replete with odious examples of contempt for diversity and multi-culturalism.

The ancient Greeks and Romans slaughtered the men who opposed them, and raped and enslaved the women and children.  Their mass campaigns of genocide destroyed foreign cultures to the point of erasing history.

But they had “strong republics”, so its all good.  I see your point.

And it wasn’t just the strong republics that built their empires on the immigrant-hate. Major religions also used this fear to justify atrocities against multi-culturalism.  The OT shows how god presumably commanded bloodlust against foreigners:

They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man....The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. Numbers 31:7-18

So the assembly sent twelve thousand fighting men with instructions to go to Jabesh Gilead and put to the sword those living there, including the women and children. 11 “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin.” Judges 21:10-11

10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.  However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy [a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the LORD your God has commanded you. Deuteronomy 20:10-17

I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. Jechariah 14:2

Even if it makes YOU feel all warm and fuzzy, I believe secular civilization has come a long way away from irrational intolerance of others.  Divinely-inspired, rationalized, whatever the fallacy de jour - these are all just feeble excuses.

What kind of people still push society down the slippery slope of immigrant-hate?

Perhaps such anti-diversity xenophobes belong in a different era (see above).

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Been_There_Done_That - 29 November 2007 05:16 PM

Neither side, Dems or Reps, have a decent candidate.

I like John Edwards, Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee.  In that order. 

And a Democratic Congress to get spending back under control.

And a moderate/Libertarian mandate to reduce government, improve efficiency, prosecute administration corruption, eliminate military aggression as a means to achieve questionable political foreign policy, and because of all the above, eventually lower taxes and our national debt.

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Posted: 04 December 2007 12:48 PM  
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ConcernedCitizen - 03 December 2007 11:50 PM


I like John Edwards, Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee.  In that order. 

I have marked off Huckabee…
Anyone having any doubts please read on….about the “Dark Side of Huckabee”

Ask the retarded Fort Smith teenager, raped by her stepfather, who sought Medicaid funding for an abortion as federal law required. Huckabee stood in the hospital door, at least figuratively, to prevent state funding. Ask the gay people belittled by his cracks about “Adam and Steve.” Ask the scientists who’ve seen evolution virtually disappear from the textbooks and classrooms of Arkansas with his administration’s acquiescence.

Social issues alone should give moderates pause. He championed a law in Arkansas making it harder to get a divorce, the so-called covenant marriage law that has been widely ignored except when he and his wife recommitted in a Valentine’s Day publicity stunt held in a 17,000-seat arena.

Huckabee’s administration worked hard and unapologetically to prevent gay people from being foster parents. He avidly supported the state amendment that bans gay marriage as well as civil unions and bans any equal treatment under the law — such as in health insurance coverage — for same-sex partners. He professed opposition to alcohol and gambling, but he allowed passage of legislation that made it easier for restaurants to obtain private-club mixed-drink permits in dry counties. Over the angry objection of the church lobby, he sped final action on a bill to allow video poker at the state’s racetracks, an act followed not long afterward by a $10,000 campaign contribution from the owner of the state’s biggest race track, at Oaklawn Park in Hot Springs.

All this is sometimes done with humor, but rarely the sort of gentle humor the national media has encountered. Huckabee prefers sarcastic putdowns and hyperbole. Because Arkansas Democrats tried to enfranchise more citizens with weekend voting in Arkansas, he called his home state a banana republic on the Don Imus show. He’s compared weight loss with a concentration camp. Abortion, even in the earliest microscopic stages, he’s called a holocaust. He referred in a Farm Bureau speech to “fruits and nuts” and “wacko environmentalists” in decrying environmentalists as a threat to agriculture. (Yes, this is the same man that gullible mainstream columnists praise for his ringing environmental proclamations.)

But the national press has more to examine than rhetoric when it comes to Huckabee. He is not the man of principle that credulous commentators describe. Though Huckabee doesn’t support embryonic stem cell research, he took a hefty honorarium and bulk book sales this year from a diabetes drug maker, Novo Nordisk, which performs embryonic stem cell research. He has lied when there’s been no other way around admitting embarrassing missteps, such as his advocacy of freedom for a convicted rapist.

There are also legitimate questions about his skills as a manager. He left Arkansas with a bill of more than $40 million for overcharges of the federal government’s Medicaid program. A State Police director left after a tiff over Huckabee’s demand that the agency improve his private lake property in the name of security. Troubles dogged both the state’s computer services agency and its workforce agency. Youth services have been an unending series of tragedies. The buck never stopped at Huck’s desk, you can be sure.

The governor’s office records — triumph and tragedy, sage advice and venom-filled screeds about members of the press and Legislature — would tell this tale. But, as I’ve mentioned, the computer hard drive destruction ensured that would never happen.

If I could resurrect one batch of files, it would be those reflecting the advice of his staff that he not pursue his desire to free convicted rapist Wayne DuMond. By “advice,” I mean I think some of them all but pleaded with Huckabee not to do it.

Though DuMond’s prior record included a conviction for assault and his alleged involvement in a slaying and one other rape, by the start of Huckabee’s governorship DuMond had become a national figure thanks to Republican efforts to depict him as a victim of the Bill Clinton machine. The rape victim was a distant relative of Clinton’s.

Huckabee, perhaps persuaded by DuMond’s supposed conversion to Christianity, announced his intention to commute DuMond’s sentence without talking to the victim. Outraged, she stepped forward to protest publicly. The backlash was swift and powerful. Huckabee backed away from commuting DuMond’s sentence, but in a private meeting lobbied the state Parole Board to release him. Huckabee said, in writing, that he supported DuMond’s release. DuMond moved to Missouri in 2000, where he molested and killed one woman and was suspected of doing the same to another, but died in prison before he could be charged in the second case.

To this day, Huckabee tries to minimize his responsibility for DuMond’s release. Huckabee’s 2007 book “From Hope to Higher Ground” also fudges the facts, implying that DuMond died before being convicted of either Missouri murder. In one recent interview, he even suggested that he had fought DuMond’s parole, a statement his own writings prove to be a lie.

Now, go to salon.com http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/13/huckabee/index.html and read the entire story, you will be amazed.

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