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Pakistan’s Benazir Bhutto assassinated
Posted: 27 December 2007 10:03 AM  
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Pakistan opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday in a suicide attack that also killed at least 20 others at a campaign rally, aides said.
A party security adviser said Bhutto was shot in neck and chest as she got into her vehicle to leave the rally in Rawalpindi near the capital Islamabad. A gunman then blew himself up.

What are your thoughts on her death?

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Posted: 27 December 2007 11:36 AM  
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Dear God! Is there no hope for peace? I was heartbroken to learn the Bhutto was assassinated. What a terrible way to die and what a terrible loss this is. Not only does Pakistan mourn, but the US as well. She carried with her the hope of peace and democracy. She was human. She was not perfect, but she stood for her people who have suffered. I pray that her family, her husband and children, find some peace and grace knowing what an amazing woman she was.

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Posted: 27 December 2007 02:44 PM  
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I was not surprised considering that this wasn’t the first attempt on her life and it would not be unrealistic to hear that the current government is somehow involved.  My sympathies go out to her family.

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Posted: 27 December 2007 05:43 PM  
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Who rights this stuff.  Not only Americans with Pakistanian ties are shocked by this.  You see someone in the news everyday and then there gone, after the numerous threats.  A leader was killed, that should concern us all!

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Posted: 27 December 2007 08:33 PM  
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I considered Bhutto’s return to Pakistan as suicide! There are enough nutcases in Pakistan that someone was eventually going to get to her. I doubt that Musharaf had anything to do with it. He doesn’t want to lose US support.

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Posted: 28 December 2007 08:14 AM  
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Let’s Police State the entire Middle East, no, no, no, lets control the world, the new world order that is.

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Posted: 28 December 2007 09:21 AM  
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Why are we surprised when a culture says that any women who don’t act in accordance with our religious laws will be raped, whipped, or killed depending upon how much she has offended us. Then actually do what they say.  Islamists are offering women and the rest of the world three choices. convert to Islam and follow our laws, become subjugated and follow our laws, or we will kill you. The are not going to compromise, “Talking” to them will not change their views. This is a religious war without borders.  The islamofacists will not quit until the world capitulates or they are killed. In as much as they have proven that they are willing to die for their beliefs and are not willing to compromise, rather than capitulate to thier view and convert to islam or become subjgated, and as letting them kill us is not acceptable the only option left is to imprision or kill all the islamofacists we can find.

Name an islamic country willing to allow freedom of religion and speach to all its citizens, as an example of “Peacefull” islam.

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Posted: 28 December 2007 09:40 PM  
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The Right to Bear Arms killed an innocent person’s exercising their Right to Free Speech if they lived in this nation. What will it take other than innocents lives for the Right to Bear Arms be wrong?

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Posted: 28 December 2007 10:02 PM  
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Well - while everybody seems to mourn her death I see Cheney didn’t waste any time raising the gas prices 20 cents a gallon because of it.

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Posted: 29 December 2007 09:28 AM  
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jacque - 28 December 2007 09:40 PM

The Right to Bear Arms killed an innocent person’s exercising their Right to Free Speech if they lived in this nation. What will it take other than innocents lives for the Right to Bear Arms be wrong?

The Right to bear arms has never killed an innocent person for any reason. 

The criminal act of murder is not protected under any condition. In fact in this case it is freedom of religion, the murderer is allowed to believe and practice a religion that says that women are to be subjegated, and allows for their rape, beating, and death, if they do not follow their religious law.  So it wasn’t the tool the murder choose to use that was the problem it was the belief system that motivated him.  Using your logic, it was Bhutto exercising her right to free speach lead to riots, and destruction and death of innocent people.

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Posted: 29 December 2007 10:05 PM  
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You can see the mindset of these people as they blame the government even though Al Queda has claimed responsibility. They are saying that the government didn’t protect her but how can you protect someone who insists on going into crowds? Musharaf has to walk the tightrope between the Islamic fundamentalists and those wanting open elections. Whoever is elected is likely to be assasinated. I don’t know how Musharaf has lived this long!

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Posted: 29 December 2007 10:35 PM  
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2bfree - 29 December 2007 09:28 AM

jacque - 28 December 2007 09:40 PM
The Right to Bear Arms killed an innocent person’s exercising their Right to Free Speech if they lived in this nation. What will it take other than innocents lives for the Right to Bear Arms be wrong?

The Right to bear arms has never killed an innocent person for any reason.

The criminal act of murder is not protected under any condition. In fact in this case it is freedom of religion, the murderer is allowed to believe and practice a religion that says that women are to be subjegated, and allows for their rape, beating, and death, if they do not follow their religious law. So it wasn’t the tool the murder choose to use that was the problem it was the belief system that motivated him. Using your logic, it was Bhutto exercising her right to free speach lead to riots, and destruction and death of innocent people.

The right to bear arms has stop any legislation to have any kind of gun control. Innocent people are dying that is what most people like you don’t want to realize, want to acknowledge or even see. If we keep our minds and eyes closed it is not there. Murder has become so common like turning on red light anymore. You are suppose to stop at the red light first. Then proceed if no one is coming.

About religious beliefs most are the interpretation of some or radicals that this comes from. There are many religions in this country that do the same things. Poligamy is what? Jim Jones and how about that Waco incident. Weren’t there twenty one children that were his with an enormous amount of guns. What just happen in Colorado Church security guards and guns?
What happened to MLK, JFK,RFK, and Bhutto. Guns did that. Innocent People.
The State is Top on the list for police dying. Did guns do any of that? Innocent people just trying to do their jobs.
Columbine,Virginia Tech, Pinellas Park High school etc. Guns did that. Innocent people

The list goes on and on. Guns do kill innocent people. You just don’t see it anymore. Using your logic having a gun is more important in TODAY’s world than the life of innocent people.

I always thought religion was to protect THE SANCTITY OF LIFE. If we don’t protect it what do we have left.
I disagree. Her free speech or openness has cause more to think differently. That scares many people. Innocent people do end up dying because of fear of the unknown. Just like many in the past like JFK,RFK,MLK,. Some say conspiracy.
But in the ends guns did shorten innocent people’s lives, for what ever reason.

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Posted: 30 December 2007 01:12 AM  
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JACQUE goes off: The right to bear arms has stop any legislation to have any kind of gun control.

SH: Nonsense.  Ownership and commercial distribution of firearms in the USA has never had as many regulations and laws as in the year 2007.

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J: Murder has become so common like turning on red light anymore.

SH: Nonsense.  Homicide rates per capita in the USA are as low as anytime in the past century.

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J: What happened to MLK, JFK,RFK, and Bhutto. Guns did that.

SH: Nonsense.  A gun is an inantimate object incapable of harming a person unless another person utilizes it in criminal or irresponsible fashion.  The four people you list all died to the actions of another human being, not due to the existence of firearms.

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J: The State is Top on the list for police dying. Did guns do any of that?

SH: Nonsense.  The number of police killed annually in the U.S. due to being shot is under 50

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Posted: 30 December 2007 07:49 AM  
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SteveInClearwater - 30 December 2007 01:12 AM

JACQUE goes off: The right to bear arms has stop any legislation to have any kind of gun control.

SH: Nonsense.  Ownership and commercial distribution of firearms in the USA has never had as many regulations and laws as in the year 2007.

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J: Murder has become so common like turning on red light anymore.

SH: Nonsense.  Homicide rates per capita in the USA are as low as anytime in the past century.

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J: What happened to MLK, JFK,RFK, and Bhutto. Guns did that.

SH: Nonsense.  A gun is an inantimate object incapable of harming a person unless another person utilizes it in criminal or irresponsible fashion.  The four people you list all died to the actions of another human being, not due to the existence of firearms.

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J: The State is Top on the list for police dying. Did guns do any of that?

SH: Nonsense.  The number of police killed annually in the U.S. due to being shot is under 50

What are guns suppose to be use for?

I would like to think I am not just an ok casuality. I do only have one lifetime to live and so does everyone else. Nonsense doesn’t really cut it as answer that I can’t live life to the fullest and die a somewhat natural death.
When did we forget that life is precious and death is final.  That doesn’t really mean anything anymore. Or that is just nonsense.  We spend alot of money on keeping ourselves alive.
We are not born with any of this in our minds . At times it seems that most actually interpet things not for all, just for them or some, just to make things right in their minds.

Nonsense............ Life is not just nonsense ......................... It is real.............. What the point of spending all that time and money into education if everything is going to stay the same.

Changing the way we do things it is what has happened over the years.  Is it not nonsense.

The state of New Jersey has just taken the death penalty away. They not sure even about the death sentence right now. Two sides. Who cares if its botched (eye for and eye) or stop and taking the time to rethink an issue. I don’t think that is nonsense. 

We are alot more educated now then years ago.  What are we doing with that ? 
I know I have learned a lot over the years.  Even just learning to use the computer, learning how to use this forum. Which to me it seems it is going to take years. Let alone learning how to express my view of things.  I was scared to write ideas down on paper over the years. That is a thing that has changed in my life. Life is precious will stay the same.  I did want to say always but that means I am not open to change.  That is another thing I have been working on in my life. That “always” word. I am not sure when it is a good time to use that.  Just like the word “Nonsense”.

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Posted: 30 December 2007 09:08 AM  
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jacque - 29 December 2007 10:35 PM

The right to bear arms has stop any legislation to have any kind of gun control. Innocent people are dying that is what most people like you don’t want to realize, want to acknowledge or even see. If we keep our minds and eyes closed it is not there. Murder has become so common like turning on red light anymore. You are suppose to stop at the red light first. Then proceed if no one is coming.

About religious beliefs most are the interpretation of some or radicals that this comes from. There are many religions in this country that do the same things. Poligamy is what? Jim Jones and how about that Waco incident. Weren’t there twenty one children that were his with an enormous amount of guns. What just happen in Colorado Church security guards and guns?
What happened to MLK, JFK,RFK, and Bhutto. Guns did that. Innocent People.
The State is Top on the list for police dying. Did guns do any of that? Innocent people just trying to do their jobs.
Columbine,Virginia Tech, Pinellas Park High school etc. Guns did that. Innocent people

The list goes on and on. Guns do kill innocent people. You just don’t see it anymore. Using your logic having a gun is more important in TODAY’s world than the life of innocent people.

I always thought religion was to protect THE SANCTITY OF LIFE. If we don’t protect it what do we have left.
I disagree. Her free speech or openness has cause more to think differently. That scares many people. Innocent people do end up dying because of fear of the unknown. Just like many in the past like JFK,RFK,MLK,. Some say conspiracy.
But in the ends guns did shorten innocent people’s lives, for what ever reason.

Where do you get that religion was to protect THE SANCTITY OF LIFE?  Christ himself said he was going to bring division and strife not peace.  Let’s not even get into Islam, which offers the world only 3 choices, covert, be enslaved or die. 

If you really belive in THE SANCTITY OF LIFE Then why not outlaw Cars they kill more innocent people than firarms do. or why not outlaw football. Twice as many children are killed playing football in school than are murdered by guns. That’s right. Despite what media coverage might seem to indicate, there are more deaths related to high school football than guns. In a recent three year period, twice as many football players died from hits to the head, heat stroke, etc. (45), as compared with students who were murdered by firearms (22) during that same time period. For football deaths, see Frederick O. Mueller, Annual Survey of Football Injury Research: 1931-2001, National Center for Catastrophic Sport Injury Research (February 2002) at http://www.unc.edu/depts/nccsi/SurveyofFootballInjuries.htm. For school firearms murders, see Dr. Ronald D. Stephens, “School Associated Violent Deaths,” The National School Safety Center Report (June 3, 2002) at http://www.NSSC1.org. In addition to the 22 murders which occurred on school property or at school-sponsored events, there were another two shooting deaths which were accidents and twelve which were suicides.  The total is still less than football.

What about all the lives saved and crime stopped by citizens using firearms for self protection?

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Posted: 30 December 2007 08:01 PM  
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jacque - 29 December 2007 10:35 PM

2bfree - 29 December 2007 09:28 AM
jacque - 28 December 2007 09:40 PM
The Right to Bear Arms killed an innocent person’s exercising their Right to Free Speech if they lived in this nation. What will it take other than innocents lives for the Right to Bear Arms be wrong?

The Right to bear arms has never killed an innocent person for any reason.

The criminal act of murder is not protected under any condition. In fact in this case it is freedom of religion, the murderer is allowed to believe and practice a religion that says that women are to be subjegated, and allows for their rape, beating, and death, if they do not follow their religious law. So it wasn’t the tool the murder choose to use that was the problem it was the belief system that motivated him. Using your logic, it was Bhutto exercising her right to free speach lead to riots, and destruction and death of innocent people.

The right to bear arms has stop any legislation to have any kind of gun control. Innocent people are dying that is what most people like you don’t want to realize, want to acknowledge or even see. If we keep our minds and eyes closed it is not there. Murder has become so common like turning on red light anymore. You are suppose to stop at the red light first. Then proceed if no one is coming.

About religious beliefs most are the interpretation of some or radicals that this comes from. There are many religions in this country that do the same things. Poligamy is what? Jim Jones and how about that Waco incident. Weren’t there twenty one children that were his with an enormous amount of guns. What just happen in Colorado Church security guards and guns?
What happened to MLK, JFK,RFK, and Bhutto. Guns did that. Innocent People.
The State is Top on the list for police dying. Did guns do any of that? Innocent people just trying to do their jobs.
Columbine,Virginia Tech, Pinellas Park High school etc. Guns did that. Innocent people

The list goes on and on. Guns do kill innocent people. You just don’t see it anymore. Using your logic having a gun is more important in TODAY’s world than the life of innocent people.

I always thought religion was to protect THE SANCTITY OF LIFE. If we don’t protect it what do we have left.
I disagree. Her free speech or openness has cause more to think differently. That scares many people. Innocent people do end up dying because of fear of the unknown. Just like many in the past like JFK,RFK,MLK,. Some say conspiracy.
But in the ends guns did shorten innocent people’s lives, for what ever reason.

I’ve purchased many new guns and none of them came from the factory loaded! A PERSON has to put ammunition in the gun, point it and shoot it. The PERSON who killed Benazir Bhutto also had a bomb which could have killed her just as easily and, by some accounts, may have caused an impact of her head with a part of the vehicle that killed her. A gun could possibly fall and go off by accident but a PERSON would have had to load it, leave a bullet in the chamber and the gun in a precarious position. An unloaded gun could be used to beat someone to death or dropped from enough height to cause death but both scenarios require a PERSON to do it or set it up.

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