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Posted: 10 January 2008 07:38 PM  
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Hey, folks, this is Matt Neistein. I sit on the Trib’s editorial board, and we’re setting up a thread for each candidate as we prepare to release our endorsements for the state primary online tomorrow (that’s Friday, Jan. 11, for the calendar-challenged) at 3 p.m. So make sure you swing back through tomorrow afternoon to check those out, and let us know what you think in here.

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Posted: 11 January 2008 12:56 PM  
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Again agree. Paul’s views are closest to mine of all the candidates, but America’s not going to elect anyone over 70 anymore (see McCain).

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Posted: 11 January 2008 04:36 PM  
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In so many ways, I feel for Mr. Paul. The man believes in what he preaches, but gets no respect. I took the liberty to educate myself with his most controversial platform on the Republican Party - foreign policy.

After reading the 9/11 Commission Report, which he backs his policy as a source, I have come to understand Mr. Paul’s reason in saying we should not have set a full-military combat force against Iraq.

On page 334 of the Commission report, under section 10.3, the report states:

President Bush had wondered immediately after the attack whether Saddam Hussein’s regime might have had a hand in it. Iraq had been an enemy of the United States for 11 years, and was the only place in the world where the United States was engaged in ongoing combat operations. As a former pilot, the President was struck by the apparent sophistication of the operation and some of the piloting, especially Hanjour’s high-speed dive into the Pentagon. He told us he recalled Iraqi support for Palestinian suicide terrorists as well. Speculating about other possible states that could be involved, the President told us he also thought about Iran.59

Clarke has written that on the evening of September 12, President Bush told him and some of his staff to explore possible Iraqi links to 9/11. “See if Sad-dam did this,” Clarke recalls the President telling them. “See if he’s linked in any way."60 While he believed the details of Clarke’s account to be incorrect, President Bush acknowledged that he might well have spoken to Clarke at some point, asking him about Iraq.61

Responding to a presidential tasking, Clarke’s office sent a memo to Rice on September 18, titled “Survey of Intelligence Information on Any Iraq Involvement in the September 11 Attacks.” Rice’s chief staffer on Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, concurred in its conclusion that only some anecdotal evidence linked Iraq to al Qaeda. The memo found no “compelling case” that Iraq had either planned or perpetrated the attacks. It passed along a few foreign intelligence reports, including the Czech report alleging an April 2001 Prague meeting between Atta and an Iraqi intelligence officer (discussed in chapter 7) and a Polish report that personnel at the headquarters of Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad were told before September 11 to go on the streets to gauge crowd reaction to an unspecified event. Arguing that the case for links between Iraq and al Qaeda was weak, the memo pointed out that Bin Ladin resented the secularism of Saddam Hussein’s regime. Finally, the memo said, there was no confirmed reporting on Saddam cooperating with Bin Ladin on unconventional weapons.62

On the afternoon of 9/11, according to contemporaneous notes, Secretary Rumsfeld instructed General Myers to obtain quickly as much information as possible. The notes indicate that he also told Myers that he was not simply interested in striking empty training sites. He thought the U.S. response should consider a wide range of options and possibilities. The secretary said his instinct was to hit Saddam Hussein at the same time-not only Bin Ladin. Secretary Rumsfeld later explained that at the time, he had been considering either one of them, or perhaps someone else, as the responsible party.63

According to Rice, the issue of what, if anything, to do about Iraq was really engaged at Camp David. Briefing papers on Iraq, along with many others, were in briefing materials for the participants. Rice told us the administration was concerned that Iraq would take advantage of the 9/11 attacks. She recalled that in the first Camp David session chaired by the President, Rumsfeld asked what the administration should do about Iraq. Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz made the case for striking Iraq during “this round” of the war on terrorism.64

A Defense Department paper for the Camp David briefing book on the strategic concept for the war on terrorism specified three priority targets for initial action: al Qaeda, the Taliban, and Iraq. It argued that of the three, al Qaeda and Iraq posed a strategic threat to the United States. Iraq’s long-standing involvement in terrorism was cited, along with its interest in weapons of mass destruction.65

Secretary Powell recalled that Wolfowitz-not Rumsfeld-argued that Iraq was ultimately the source of the terrorist problem and should therefore be attacked.66 Powell said that Wolfowitz was not able to justify his belief that Iraq was behind 9/11. “Paul was always of the view that Iraq was a problem that had to be dealt with,” Powell told us. “And he saw this as one way of using this event as a way to deal with the Iraq problem.” Powell said that President Bush did not give Wolfowitz’s argument “much weight."67 Though continuing to worry about Iraq in the following week, Powell said, President Bush saw Afghanistan as the priority.68

Alas, there was never any solid proof to support the attack on Iraq. This information is public by the way: http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm

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Posted: 14 January 2008 10:53 AM  
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To the “Editorial Board” of the Tampa Tribune:

Ron Paul has said nothing more than that he would obey the Constitution in carrying out the duties of President.  Exactly which parts of the Constitution do you believe contain “silly” solutions?  Perhaps it’s the First Amendment - freedom of the press?

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Posted: 14 January 2008 03:13 PM  
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What are you going to do about ILLEGAL ALIENS, and how will you SECURE THE BORDER?

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Posted: 15 January 2008 08:58 PM  
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Matt_Neistein - 10 January 2008 07:38 PM

Hey, folks, this is Matt Neistein. I sit on the Trib’s editorial board, and we’re setting up a thread for each candidate as we prepare to release our endorsements for the state primary online tomorrow (that’s Friday, Jan. 11, for the calendar-challenged) at 3 p.m. So make sure you swing back through tomorrow afternoon to check those out, and let us know what you think in here.

I don’t know where to find your editorial, but thank you for posting about Ron Paul.

I find he is the only candidate who can fix or clean the mess the Bushes, Clinton, and past politicians have left behind. All the rest of the candidates, young or old will just make more messes, which none of their songs and dances can never clean up.

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Posted: 16 January 2008 07:54 AM  
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wazzamattaU - 14 January 2008 03:13 PM

What are you going to do about ILLEGAL ALIENS, and how will you SECURE THE BORDER?

To stem the tide of illegals, you have to remove the incentive to come in—and that incentive is jobs. It’s the businesses that hire (knowingly or unknowingly) these illegals that’s the real problem. Many want to addresses the symptoms by building a wall (at taxpayer expense, of course). Those people will just find other ways in. You have to address the problem, not the symptoms. I admit I don’t know what Paul’s proposal is.

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Posted: 16 January 2008 08:51 AM  
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Why would illegals want to become legal if they don’t have to. They get free health care usually in the ER (Cheap health care). They don’t have to pay taxes. Their children need more services than our children do. Most don’t speak English. We the taxpayers pay for this. I can’t afford to go to the ER with health insurance.
Business hire them because they are cheap for them expensive for us.
We do have to do something to limit. We as American are having enough touble affording our own Families.
It we are not going to make them citizens then we need to collect taxes from them. Companies should not be allow to profit from this. Big Business need to pay their fair share. That is our money that they have. They need to invest more in their companies not bonuses.
Every candidates talks about change. Change that we need is to make every one responsible. Limit what we give out for free anymore. Medicaid would be a good start. Welfare disabilty,free meal programs,health programs, earned income credits. government subsidy’s etc. Make income taxes equal. Paying your fair share. The middle class is going away and nobody is complaining.

Education should be cheaper. Most of College education can be done over the internet now.(No Buildings) Job training cheaper. That would be a better investment. Teaching people how to work and survive without a FREE ride.

Health care should be afforable for all not given away for free to selected groups with only selected groups paying for it. Health Agencies, doctors etc. need to charge the same amount for the same medical services.

We do need to change or should I say limit things in this nation and fast because our dollar is very weak now. Especially after this last 7years. Let alone look what the last nine years has done for Florida with three more to go.

Democrats look better and better everyday.

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Posted: 16 January 2008 09:14 AM  
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Why? That’s easy. So they don’t have to “live in the shadows” under the threat (albeit small) of deportation.

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Posted: 16 January 2008 10:39 AM  
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Why is there such a deafening silence from most candidates
on the urgent issue of illegal aliens? 

There is no ‘Hispanic’ vote, because only Americans are
allowed to vote here, and they became Americans
by speaking English.

Secure our borders!

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Posted: 17 January 2008 05:14 PM  
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Peg_In_StPete - 15 January 2008 08:58 PM

Matt_Neistein - 10 January 2008 07:38 PM
Hey, folks, this is Matt Neistein. I sit on the Trib’s editorial board, and we’re setting up a thread for each candidate as we prepare to release our endorsements for the state primary online tomorrow (that’s Friday, Jan. 11, for the calendar-challenged) at 3 p.m. So make sure you swing back through tomorrow afternoon to check those out, and let us know what you think in here.

I don’t know where to find your editorial, but thank you for posting about Ron Paul.

I find he is the only candidate who can fix or clean the mess the Bushes, Clinton, and past politicians have left behind. All the rest of the candidates, young or old will just make more messes, which none of their songs and dances can never clean up.

My apologies, Peg. You can find the Ron Paul piece here.

And Wazzamattau, please don’t spam the forums. Repeatedly doing so will get your posts deleted. Thanks.

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Posted: 18 January 2008 11:04 AM  
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Well I sure voted for Ron Paul !  I don’t think he will ever win, but darned if I can vote for one of the other fools and I can not vote “None of them” as I would like to.

I would sure like to see a change in how our government does things, not the same old crap we get from BOTH partys !

Ron is the only one who would do this.  too bad he won’t win, but at least I know i tried!!

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Posted: 30 January 2008 02:17 PM  
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Matt_Neistein- How many posts am I allowed?

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Posted: 30 January 2008 02:32 PM  
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wazzamattaU - 30 January 2008 02:17 PM

Matt_Neistein- How many posts am I allowed?

You’re allowed as many as you like, but making the same post verbatim in multiple threads is spamming. Please make sure your posts are germane to the topic at hand and not just repetitive statements that people may run across multiple times. Please note I’m not criticizing your subject or opinion, just the method you used to discuss them.

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Posted: 07 February 2008 05:28 PM  
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Matt_Neistein - 30 January 2008 02:32 PM

wazzamattaU - 30 January 2008 02:17 PM
Matt_Neistein- How many posts am I allowed?

You’re allowed as many as you like, but making the same post verbatim in multiple threads is spamming. Please make sure your posts are germane to the topic at hand and not just repetitive statements that people may run across multiple times. Please note I’m not criticizing your subject or opinion, just the method you used to discuss them.

I must have made the same post because I didn’t see it posted yet!
‘scuze meeeee!

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