Stuka - 10 April 2008 09:33 AM

And fewer still who seem to believe that it was a manufactured disease that was started by the US Government to target a particular race -except for a nutball or two like Rev Wright)

Opportunist.
Nightbiker,You’d make it sales if you wanted to.

The US Government would never do anything to harm people, would it? Before I went in the Army, some old dude told me to never volunteer for anything, especially if it involved doctors and/or experiments. Seems like he was involved in testing nuclear fallout protection methods without revealing the risks.

BTW, I read something that said 25% of US teen aged girls has some sort of STD. Scary thought. So much for the abstinence programs.

BTW, I read something that said 25% of US teen aged girls has some sort of STD. Scary thought. So much for the abstinence programs. end quote

Definitely scary.  And I think the statistics for girls has risen over the last few years because, they are much more forward and aggresive in their behavior than ever before.  And with that new feeling of control and independant thinking in regard to casual sex, come the risks as well.

The Bible and Homosexuality

Introduction:  America has come a long way and has accepted the “most tolerant policy,” at least in part. As far back as May 16, 1991, there was a special marriage that was performed on the Phil Donahue television show. There was the couple, the minister, and the usual participants. The couple was joining in what they called “holy matrimony.” Following the ceremony, the couple kissed and there was prayer offered. Mr. Donahue and the audience offered their congratulation to the couple. The problem? The couple consisted of two men!

For years there has been a movement in America to present homosexuality as simply an alternate life style. Americans are inundated with the philosophy that there is no right and wrong and that to attempt to pronounce a matter as wrong is judgmental, uneducated, and un-American.

I. God instituted marriage between a man and a woman

A. God created man and woman (Gen. 1, 2). After God created Adam he said, “…it is not good that man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him” (Gen. 2: 18). “Help meet” is from a Hebrew word that means a counter-part or compliment. In other words, God intended to provide Adam with a being ideally suited to meet Adam’s social, psychological, emotional, and sexual needs. In the following verses of Genesis chapter 2, we read how God made a woman (ishshah, corresponding to man) for Adam. The companion God presented to Adam was “bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh” (Gen. 2: 23). Adam (man) was then commanded to “leave his father and his mother and cleave unto his wife” (vs. 24). “…and they shall be one flesh,” we are told (vs. 24).

II. The woman, not man, is ideally suited for man

A. The apostle Paul also taught regarding man and woman (I Cor. 11). He wrote, “…the woman is the glory of the man” (vs. 7). Moreover, he penned: “Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man” (vs. 9).

B. As mentioned, the woman is the perfect companion for man, emotionally, socially, and sexually. One purpose of marriage is reproduction (Gen. 1: 28). There is no other relation that can produce children other than the relationship of man and woman.

III. Marriage is to be only between man and woman.

A. Marriage between man and woman is sanctioned of God (Gen. 1, 2; Heb. 13: 4). Sexual relationships between a man and woman outside of marriage are condemned (Heb. 13: 4).

B. Conjugal involvement of man with beasts incur the express disapproval of God (Lev. 18: 23). Observe the plainness of this prohibition: “Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith” (Lev. 18: 23). The “neither” is connected to the preceding prohibition, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination” (Lev. 18: 22). To “lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman” under God’s theocratic government meant that, “they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them” (Lev. 20: 13).

IV. Rampant homosexuality is an indication of serious degradation in a society

A. The sin of homosexuality in Sodom and Gomorrah reached the point where God said “their sin is very grievous” and “is waxen great” (Gen. 18: 20, 19: 13). They were so depraved and steeped in homosexuality that any male stranger was in danger (Gen. 19: 5, “may know them” means to know sexually). Jude wrote that “Sodom and Gomorrah…giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire” (Jude 7).

a. The stench of their wickedness was so great that God destroyed these people with brimstone and fire out of heaven (Gen. 19: 24, notice Jude’s statement regarding “eternal fire,” Jude 7).

B. In describing the degenerate state of the Gentile world of Paul’s day, he described the sin of homosexuality. “Men with men working that which is unseemly,” Paul stated (Rom. 1: 27). “…Even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature,” Paul further explained (vs. 26). Paul referred to such homosexual relationships as “vile affections” (vs. 26).

V. Practicing homosexuals will not go to heaven

A. I listened in amazement a while back as a panel of ministers from several different denominations were questioned regarding homosexuality. Every preacher on the television panel said homosexuality is not even mentioned in the Bible. When pressed, they replied “Jesus did not mention homosexuality” (see I Cor. 14: 37, arraying Jesus against Leviticus 18: 22, etc., is the height of blasphemy). “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God,” Paul wrote, “do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals…shall inherit the kingdom of God” (I Cor. 6: 9, 10, NASV).

Conclusion:  the argument that homosexuals cannot help themselves because they were born the way they are is not correct. God would not hold homosexuals responsible if they had a genetic aberration that they could not help. The good news is that homosexuals, just as all sinners, can be saved if they will repent (involving desisting their sinful life style) of their sins and accept God’s provision of grace (I Cor. 6: 9-11).

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grab your bible and look them up.

Dave

I believe that gays are born, not made, and that we’ll soon discover that gay people are “wired” that way. Consider: why would someone engage in behaviour that is clearly abnormal (the “norm” being hetero), and have to endure the stigma? The only reason that makes any sense is that they were born that way. Who would, if they had a choice, choose to be gay?

Gays are still entitled to the respect any human being should get, and should not have to worry about attacks on their person just for who they are.

BTW, Dave, give credit to your source.

BTW, Dave, give credit to your source.

googled “ homosexuals and the bible” found it in the mess.

Dave

Yeah, I already knew that. You still haven’t cited the source yet.

MICHAELAJV - 10 April 2008 10:18 AM

Stuka - 10 April 2008 09:33 AM

And fewer still who seem to believe that it was a manufactured disease that was started by the US Government to target a particular race -except for a nutball or two like Rev Wright)

Opportunist.
Nightbiker,You’d make it sales if you wanted to.

The US Government would never do anything to harm people, would it? Before I went in the Army, some old dude told me to never volunteer for anything, especially if it involved doctors and/or experiments. Seems like he was involved in testing nuclear fallout protection methods without revealing the risks.

BTW, I read something that said 25% of US teen aged girls has some sort of STD. Scary thought. So much for the abstinence programs.

BTW, I read something that said 25% of US teen aged girls has some sort of STD. Scary thought. So much for the abstinence programs.

Definitely scary.  And I think the statistics for girls has risen over the last few years because, they are much more forward and aggresive in their behavior than ever before.  And with that new feeling of control and independant thinking in regard to casual sex, come the risks as well.

They must show not all those gross gonorrhea and syphilis pictures they showed us in 9th grade health class.

Stuka - 10 April 2008 11:45 AM

MICHAELAJV - 10 April 2008 10:18 AM

Stuka - 10 April 2008 09:33 AM

And fewer still who seem to believe that it was a manufactured disease that was started by the US Government to target a particular race -except for a nutball or two like Rev Wright)

Opportunist.
Nightbiker,You’d make it sales if you wanted to.

The US Government would never do anything to harm people, would it? Before I went in the Army, some old dude told me to never volunteer for anything, especially if it involved doctors and/or experiments. Seems like he was involved in testing nuclear fallout protection methods without revealing the risks.

BTW, I read something that said 25% of US teen aged girls has some sort of STD. Scary thought. So much for the abstinence programs.

BTW, I read something that said 25% of US teen aged girls has some sort of STD. Scary thought. So much for the abstinence programs.

end quote

Definitely scary.  And I think the statistics for girls has risen over the last few years because, they are much more forward and aggresive in their behavior than ever before.  And with that new feeling of control and independant thinking in regard to casual sex, come the risks as well.

They must show not all those gross gonorrhea and syphilis pictures they showed us in 9th grade health class.

I remember that!  Sure worked for me.

namjah - 10 April 2008 11:05 AM

I believe that gays are born, not made, and that we’ll soon discover that gay people are “wired” that way. Consider: why would someone engage in behaviour that is clearly abnormal (the “norm” being hetero), and have to endure the stigma? The only reason that makes any sense is that they were born that way. Who would, if they had a choice, choose to be gay?

Gays are still entitled to the respect any human being should get, and should not have to worry about attacks on their person just for who they are.

BTW, Dave, give credit to your source.

I’ll agree with respect any human should get statements.  It’snot my job to judge, but in the same token it’s not my job to promote it ether, nor should I be forced to. 
But as to your born that way argument based on your observations then you have to say the same thing about paedophiles and grant them the same rights and considerations you argue for the homosexual community dont you. Is that what you want to see?  It’s not a slippery slope arguement as I am sure someone will claim.

Dustydragon - 10 April 2008 05:06 PM

namjah - 10 April 2008 11:05 AM

I believe that gays are born, not made, and that we’ll soon discover that gay people are “wired” that way. Consider: why would someone engage in behaviour that is clearly abnormal (the “norm” being hetero), and have to endure the stigma? The only reason that makes any sense is that they were born that way. Who would, if they had a choice, choose to be gay?

Gays are still entitled to the respect any human being should get, and should not have to worry about attacks on their person just for who they are.

BTW, Dave, give credit to your source.

I’ll agree with respect any human should get statements.  It’snot my job to judge, but in the same token it’s not my job to promote it ether, nor should I be forced to. 
But as to your born that way argument based on your observations then you have to say the same thing about paedophiles and grant them the same rights and considerations you argue for the homosexual community dont you. Is that what you want to see?  It’s not a slippery slope arguement as I am sure someone will claim.

“Consenting Adults” pretty much squashes that.

Namjah, from what I hear, it seems that the gay paraders are immune to the obscenity laws.  And likewise Disney World seems to be out of bounds for these same laws.

God created gays?
I thought that God created a perfect man and woman, and that all that came afterwards was the result of Free Will.

Jesus did not specificaly address homosexuality.  Why would he have to.  He did say that he did not come to destroy the law. 

Ok Submariner, what is it that you do not understand about the fact that any social movement must have a leader.  What is it that you do not understand about the fact that the Zionists have been instrumental in all of our Country’s most recent social movements. They are instrumental in all our countries policies. 

Babalu, I have never heard of a heterosexual parade where they paraded overt sexual behaviors.  Have you?
You missed the point about -Why do they have to tell us what they do?  I don’t want to hear that they are gay, and I don’t want to see a demonstration. So why can’t they keep their private lives private?  What’s with this “coming out” thing?  They Can Just STFU, I don’t care!

There are reasons for not eating Pork and shellfish, as well as the thing about cloth made of 2 different threads. Hey, I bought some cotton-polyester canvas - and you know what?  Paint does not adhere to it well.  And you might want to consider what they had to make cloth with in those days that probably just didn’t work out for the best.  Pigs and shellfish are bottom feeders/scavengers. That should speak for itself.  There is also something about pork that has a negative effect on the Red Blood Cells. 

“Pig meat contains excessive quantities of histamine and imidazole compounds, which can lead to itching and inflammation; growth hormone, which promotes inflammation and growth; sulphur-containing mesenchymal mucus, which leads to swelling and deposits of mucus in tendons and cartilage, resulting in arthritis, rheumatism, etc.”
“The pig is the main carrier of the taenia solium worm, which is found it its flesh. These tapeworms are found in human intestines with greater frequency in nations where pigs are eaten. This type of tapeworm can pass through the intestines and affect many other organs, and is incurable once it reaches beyond a certain stage”.
http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/hh/pork.html

They morality of the present generation is likewise a Zionist creation.  Television programming, is just that -Programming that is programming the watchers.  They sell the abhorrant with humor and repitition. 

H.G. Wells is one historian who did point out that the Zionist jews were the influence responsible for the moral decay of Rome which contributed to its fall. 

The much maligned and ignored Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion are pertinent.  Its detractors focus on who did or didn’t write them.  It doesn’t matter who wrote them!  Any thinking person reading them should be able to see that this is a very revealing document.  It is what is/has been happening.  The mistake people make is equating the word “Zion” with the word jew.  Everyone knows that to think about or speak about jews in a negative manner is prohibited, and so they immediately discount the Protocols using this Politically Correct filter.

OhZone - 10 April 2008 05:40 PM

Namjah, from what I hear, it seems that the gay paraders are immune to the obscenity laws.  And likewise Disney World seems to be out of bounds for these same laws.

I’ve been to Gay Days at Disney and the most overt thing I saw was people holding hands and maybe a kiss or two.  The same kinds of things you see straight people do all the time and don’t give a second thought about.

OhZone - 10 April 2008 05:40 PM

Babalu, I have never heard of a heterosexual parade where they paraded overt sexual behaviors.  Have you?

Have you ever been to or heard about Gasparilla?  Mardi Gras?  Fantasy Fest?  Carnival in Rio? 

OhZone - 10 April 2008 05:40 PM

You missed the point about -Why do they have to tell us what they do?  I don’t want to hear that they are gay, and I don’t want to see a demonstration. So why can’t they keep their private lives private?  What’s with this “coming out” thing?  They Can Just STFU, I don’t care!

Believe it or not, it’s not all about you.  Coming out is about deciding to stop living in fear, pretending to be something you’re not because you’re afraid your family, friends, coworkers will reject you.  It is coming to the realization that life is too short to let it pass you by while you try to live up to somebody else’s expectations.

namjah - 10 April 2008 11:05 AM

I believe that gays are born, not made, and that we’ll soon discover that gay people are “wired” that way. Consider: why would someone engage in behaviour that is clearly abnormal (the “norm” being hetero), and have to endure the stigma? The only reason that makes any sense is that they were born that way. Who would, if they had a choice, choose to be gay?

Not only that, Namjah, but the whole notion that gay people choose to be gay implies that straight people choose to be straight.  Are you straight guys out there sexually attracted to other men but you simply choose not to act on it?

Stuka - 10 April 2008 05:29 PM

Dustydragon - 10 April 2008 05:06 PM

namjah - 10 April 2008 11:05 AM

I believe that gays are born, not made, and that we’ll soon discover that gay people are “wired” that way. Consider: why would someone engage in behaviour that is clearly abnormal (the “norm” being hetero), and have to endure the stigma? The only reason that makes any sense is that they were born that way. Who would, if they had a choice, choose to be gay?

Gays are still entitled to the respect any human being should get, and should not have to worry about attacks on their person just for who they are.

BTW, Dave, give credit to your source.

I’ll agree with respect any human should get statements.  It’snot my job to judge, but in the same token it’s not my job to promote it ether, nor should I be forced to. 
But as to your born that way argument based on your observations then you have to say the same thing about paedophiles and grant them the same rights and considerations you argue for the homosexual community dont you. Is that what you want to see?  It’s not a slippery slope arguement as I am sure someone will claim.

“Consenting Adults” pretty much squashes that.

Exactly.

Nightbiker - 09 April 2008 07:09 PM

You two are missing the point.  When I asked if it mattered, I meant that any reply, any proof whatsoever that homosexuality was disapproved of biblically, would not change your attitude about it one iota.  That being the case, why does it matter at all?  Its really a moot point, because in truth you don’t care about what the ‘good book’ says on that point.

You are correct in that it doesn’t matter to me what a compilation of books written and edited by men says. The reason I asked for chapter and verse was to see what those who believe in the Bible are using as a reason to condemn gays.

I suspected that Leviticus would be the major reference. Leviticus instructs the “Children of Israel”, read Jews. Most Christians have no Jewish lineage so those laws don’t apply to them. In all likelihood, the writers of Leviticus would have had the same disdain for Christians ancestors that they had for homosexuals.

The closest thing the Bible has to the words of Jesus is hearsay evidence possibly a generation or two removed. Even the Disciples didn’t write their own books and may not have been able to write. The man with the most writings in the New Testament, Paul, was not one of the twelve Disciples.

Incidentally, Why do you suppose that John, the youngest Disciple, was referred to as the beloved Disciple? Does it sound a little gay?

think - 10 April 2008 08:58 PM

Incidentally, Why do you suppose that John, the youngest Disciple, was referred to as the beloved Disciple? Does it sound a little gay?

I was waiting on somebody to bring that up. <grin>

Better raise your shields and close all water tight doors.  In the Christian world, only priests can be gay, while they give out marital advice.