Figures.

JohnS - 28 February 2007 02:55 PM

It is sad to see how many of my neighbors are Nazis and false-Christians. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. I thought that was part of our country’s basis for being. Tolerance seems to be a thing of the past. Are you going to stone him too? And then who is next? The old? Would you rationalize that they are almost dead too, so be done with them? Will the disabled and children be next? Where does it stop? Is every one that is different subject attack? Maybe he will wear socks with his sandels. How can that be?
---This person has done a better than acceptable job in the past. There is no reasonable reason to expect anything would change in his job performance, except perhaps he will be happier in general in the future.
---Would this fuss be made if he was having a face lift or a tummy tuck? I think not.
---Rent, borrow or get a life some how and leave this guy alone. Otherwise when the mob is done with him, they maybe coming after you next. You know you look a little bit different too.

Welcome to the forums, JohnS! First off, let’s not start by calling people “Nazi’s”—that’s kind of “over-the-top”. Anyway, comparing a sex-change to facelifts or tummy tucks is a little apples to oranges, don’t you think? As I’ve posted here earlier, I did not support the decision to fire Stanton, but I can understand why they did it (or, rather, why I think they did): the distraction it would cause, since Stanton had already worked there for so long as a man. I hope that’s why. He didn’t do anything illegal.

What happened to freedom of religion?

Just because YOUR God doesnt approve of his choice does not mean YOUR God has any authority over how he lives his life, or anyone else’s lives for that matter.

Religion is one big cult used as an excuse to discriminate against people who you dont like.
And untill people stop using it as such, I want nothing to do with it.

THANK GOD (rolls eyes) FOR FREEDOM OF RELIGION!

Last time I checked, This country was a free one.
Although, by the comments made in this forum...I am starting to doubt that more and more.

I have to say (What is this world coming too). Tell me you who don’t believe in GOD and anyone who think that being born, as a male should be a female and all those that think that a snip here and there will fix what ever void is inside of you. Who created you? Where did you come from and where would you return too once you die? How is it that none of us has any power or control over life, death, being man or woman? The only control you have is to pay someone to fix what you seems to think is the problem without any concern over his wife and son. That is called Selfishness. GOD loves us, he created us for a purpose and having a sex change is not one of them. What price would you pay once it is all done and you find out all those who shun GOD and Christians are actually right. There is a GOD, there is eternal life after all this is done and said. Stating what is right and wrong is not being judgmental. It is standing for what we believe and experience in walking as a Christian. I agree some of us go overboard. I’m a Christian, and I stand for what is right, for justice, attics, love for others not selfish love, fairness and understanding not ignorance of selfishness.
He was born as a man and a man is what he is supposed to be, with a wife and son. PERIOD. GOD does not make mistakes. Because if any other force created us to be in this mess of a world, I have to say that this creator is incompetent, and that we are just a waste of time and energy. Get your facts stray and back up all avenues before making such statement as Thank God (rolling eyes) there is freedom of religion. No belief in the truth is not a gift; it is a sentence of eternal Hell.

Now that is my opinion call it what you want. Thank GOD there is Freedom of Speech....

Who made me?
Duh! My parents. And a little thing called sex. Procreation.
It can all be explained in your nearest science book.

It was NOT your god.
And its not your place to disagree. You want to believe you were made by some super natural power that nobody can prove exists..Go for it! But DO NOT push that belief on me. I will not fall for it.

It really is sad that a person’s character and work ethic are not the focus for employment in the city of Largo.  Clearly, by renewing the City Manager’s contract a few years ago, the city put its stamp of approval on Mr. Stanton’s leadership abilities.  Neither the clothing a City Manager wears nor the sex of a City Manager should be an issue in the decision of whether to retain the services of person who holds the position. 

It is obvious that Mr. Stanton suffered many years of trauma to arrive at this point in his life.  Obviously, he did not come to the decision to change his sex easily.  He consulted professionals for more than three years.  These professionals affirmed his need to fully transition into a woman.  Now his and his family’s pain is open for all to see.  Because of the actions of the city council in Largo, he and his family will likely also suffer financial concerns. 

Phobia is clearly at work here.  Just how do we justify an action to fire a capable, qualified city employee?  Where is the sympathy for Stanton?  I suspect that if Stanton had been retained as City Manager, he would be an even better, more sensitive employee than he has already demonstrated.  The people of the city and the staff of the city would be better served from Stanton for the person he really is--a capable, hard-working leader who loves the people of his city and the work he does.  What a shame that phobia is left to control.

Eternal hell huh?
lmao.

Bring it on.

Michaelajv-I think you are enjoying this attention. You seem intellectual & I am not here to debate you on that level; however, I did want to address one thing that you said.  Did you like Pres. John Kennedy?  Assuming you will say yes because most everyone does; do you think his probable affair with Marilyn Monroe affected his decision making while in office?  With all of the openness that advanced communication has brought us, if this were the case back then we may now know a lot more about his supposed affairs.  If true, then surely that was a BIG distraction to him.  So where do we draw the line?

I don’t know what gender and/or perceptions of someone’s gender has to do with work ethic, trustworthiness, or intelligence.  I don’t have a stronger or weaker work ethic because I’m a woman.  In fact, if one of my superiors in my company alluded to a similar idea, it would be grounds for disciplinary action.  I don’t see how Stanton’s choice of gender expression affects his ability to do his job.  He’s getting sex reassignment surgery, not a lobotomy.

Your parents made you by having sex. I see.

My people perish for lack of understanding. And yes I do agree with you, you are falling and fast.

I have set before you life and blessing, dead and curses, choose life that it may go well with you.

But in your case and with so many you can’t ever get past yourself or your parents and the sex they had that conceived you.
Because if I recall I did not ask who conceived you but who created you? I doubt you’ll find the answer to that is a Science book.
God bless you and I will be praying for you dear.

mutroom - 28 February 2007 01:42 PM

these homophobics make me sick. mr stanton is not a pedophile. he is transgender. his condition is caused by a genenic defect. he did not wake up one day and say to himself, “gosh, i think that i will have an operation to change my sex.” he is not homosexual. transgender people have to go to a screening process before they are approved for this surgery. i work with a transgender. she is the same person she was before the surgery, except now she is happier. give mr stanton a break. the only ones who should be fired are the close-minded idiots who are commissioners. hmmmmm, i wonder if their male spouses or the male commissioners have had thoughts of being with a male. i can also guarantee that they have. this is common with men. this i way they are homophobic. hmmm. again. i wonder what type of kinky sex the commissioners have had in the past or are currently invoid in. have any of the commissioners had affairs. have they thought about having an affair. have they flirted or sexually harrassed a co-worker or someone else. oh, no, they are squeaky clean.this is why they can judge an innocent person for no reason who has been doing a great job. i bet these same commissioners kick animals, too.

Good Point on the true nature of most “men” (not all) and persons in postiion of authority !!!!!

Seriously, please dont pray for me. It will just be a huge waste of your time. Besides that, dont you have anything BETTER to pray about????
And I answered your question to who made me. Im sorry you dont agree with it, because that is obviously why you made up your own answer to a question you asked ME to answer. geez.

“Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense.”

“We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.”

“I don’t believe in God because I don’t believe in Mother Goose.”

Im not trying to convince you that there isnt a God.
Stop trying to convince me that there is.

Wow, this topic has brought out the hipocracy in our state and country. For our country to be the home of the free and the land of the brave, where there is a seperation of church and state, we sure do have a habit of picking and choosing which side we are on when it benefits our own secret predjudices. What Mr. Stanton did was his “free” right and also very brave. We spend so much time in this country worrying about what our neighbor is doing behind closed doors that we let the important stuff pass us by. For example, everyone was so obsessed with the sexual acts of our president that we took attention away from the terrorists threats that were present and made ourselves vulnerable to our enemies. We repeatedly do things that show other countries that we do not practice freedom of speech or individuality for that matter. If each and everyone of us had to go into our bosses and tell them everything in our personal bedrooms and run the risk of losing our jobs, how many woud do it? How many of us would LIE to keep that job. So from a moral stand point, which is the lesser of the two evils, confessing to be someone different or lying about who we really are. We have a member of congress that we elected that admitted to molesting boys and because he goes and “hides” in rehab, we forgive him. Ted Kennedy killed a woman he was sleeping with but he didn’t lose his job. All Mr. Stanton did was tell the truth about who he feels he really is. He has my respect for being honest. Isn’t that what we all SAY we want from our politicians? Honesty?  What happens if a popular governor or someone else we elected comes out and says that they are homosexual, are we going to “fire” him because he isn’t what WE think he should be? Does it matter to us that he is successfully fullfilling his responsibilites to the job in which he was elected? Before you choose to take the moral high road and quote scripture, remember this one verse of scripture “Judge not that ye be not Judged” - Matthew 7:1. I personally would rather be disliked for who I am then liked for who I am not. I would rather be honest with myself and others around me then to lie to appease the hippocrites that can’t handle the truth. Let’s just hope none of us have to lie about who we are or risk losing our jobs based on a medical condition or skeleton in our closet. To quote the bible - like some of those that use it to hide behind - “Ye that is without sin, let him cast the first stone”. If you want to make the world a better place, start by changing yourself, not by trying to change your neighbor. Show love and compassion to those that are different than yourself. Open your minds and your hearts to others. That is what Jesus did to Mary Magdalene, he showed her love, he was humble and he changed her through love, not through hate filled judgement. I personally would be more fearful of subjecting my children to a hate filled bigot than to a self admitted transgender.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHEN PERVERSIONS LIKE THIS AND HOMOSEXUALS AND OTHER PERVERSIONS BECAME AN ETHNIC OR RACIAL THING INSTEAD OF WHAT IT IS? GAY RIGHTS, TRANSGENDER RIGHTS, TRANSEXUAL RIGHTS, WHAT NEXT NECROPHILIA RIGHTS, PEDOPHILE RIGHTS. IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK, QUACKS LIKE A DUCK .............................

No one ever said that he should be punished for his honesty. But this issue is much more deeper than just having him keep his position or not because of his choice of becoming a woman. And at the end God will have it done as he sees it fit. For us who take Christianity as it is told and for what it truly is according to our faith. All we are saying is that his sex change is not biblically correct, Godly not acceptable for many reasons, and if one of those reason come to interfere with his ability to do his job than so be it.
God gave us free choice and every one of us will make decisions with the respect of our free choice. Who are we as human being to dictate or force anything upon one another.

I respect everyone choice of thinking but I dont have to agree with it. No one should have to agree with anything any one says in here.  We are all sinners in need of a savior.
I personally can not affort to loose my soul over lies and make up.

So I would like to appologize to any one I offended or if I came across strong, funky, pushy or what ever.

Thank you.