Yes, you can love the sinner and hate the sin.

And in hating the sin, thus it should also NOT be condoned!  I treat everyone with respect in regards to their sexuality and try not to judge.  However, as far as my personal beliefs, I do not condone nor will I ever promote the gay lifestyle, or a transgender lifestyle.  And YES, it is my right to feel that way.

It worries me greatly how over the past few years, these types of lifestyles are more and more in the forefront and yes, it causes a desensitive reaction in people to the behaviour over the course of time.  I also see this as political correctness gone amuck!

What will be condoned in 10,30 or 50 years?  Scary to think about as far as I’m concerned.

The gentleman in the article who wants to have an operation to become ‘female’, should resign from his post FIRST.  Then he can do whatever he wants.  But he was put into his job position as a MAN.  And should NOT misrepresent himself now as a ‘woman’.

I am sure that Jesus loves people who think they are transexuals.  I am not sure what it is that causes it, scientifically speaking. Our current level of knowledge is not complete on the matter.  It definitely is an affliction.
There are some people who through extreme committment and willingness overcome it.... but the affliction itself makes the person not want to be the sex they are.

Most of all, transexuals want to be considered Normal!! The sex change is a cosmetic fix, to fo along with what i cansider a delusion of being the opposite sex. I consider it a delusion. Many people say, o he is not hurting anyone! he is harmless! but not to those close to him. It is not harmless to his family!
It is one of the most devastating things that could happen, except death.

I hope those who are having difficulties with this particular subject matter will take just one tiny moment out of their day to read this posting. It may change your LIFE.

Before you label my posting, for or against, good or bad, let me say I am a mature female, a wife, a mother of 4, a college graduate and a professional.

It was a great American (some would say)who said The greatest fear is the fear of the unknown. Any time the general population is presented with a CULTURE change that breaks social, religious or political rules / guidelines it is feared as a threat, taboo or dangerous.

This is the situation with so called Trans-genders, Homosexuals, Lesbian, or gays. You could very easily insert the words Mexicans, Cubans or Blacks in place of the former three and get pretty much the same type of response. People, out of FEAR from not knowing immediately jump to FAR FETCHED conclusions.

I speak from PROVEN, PROFOUND documented medical research and knowledge: People are NOT influenced one way or the other as to their sexual gender. Gays are not a product of a fatherless or motherless family. They are not a product of sexual abuse. For simplicity sake so the lay person can understand it, these changes take place at birth, or puberty.

To make the statement that your child was influenced in some way in making a change in his/her sexual gender doe nothing more than to show your LACK in intelligence. To say that you hate homosexuals also shows your last of knowledge of the culture. What you are saying is that you fear what you know nothing of.

These are people just like you and I. They are people just like Rapist, Serial Murders, or child molesters. They are people just like Doctors, constructions works or newspaper journalist.

Because this person is changing his sexual gender does not mean he will be a different person mentally, nor will he become a threat to society. It merely means he was meant to be a she and the physiological chemical make up of his DNA needs to correct itself.

This is a condition that has trouble our generations since before the Americas where even discovered. It is only now the general population is allowing this sector of our population to live being at some level of peace with them-self.

I thank you for your time, you can now go back to being the same narrow minded person you were before.

Dear Female, Mother and Professional,

Thank you for giving us your credentials.  And your opinion is STILL no more important than anyone elses.

I also see you’ve painted everyone who doesn’t agree with the gay/transgender lifestyle with the same brush.  As in your comment that we’re ALL “narrow minded”.

Speaking for myself, I’m quite the opposite of narrow minded I assure you.  I simply know right from wrong, moral and immoral.  More people should know those differences.  And those lines between right and wrong, moral and immoral are blurred more and more every day by the media and bleeding heart liberals.

Hope you open YOUR eyes.  It could change YOUR life.

dear female, mother and professional.
It is interesting to note that you think those who disagree with your opinion as being unintelligent.
your reasoning is called the fallacy: appeal to force, verbal abuse/ insult. and invalid… how would you know our intelligence one way or the other? 
For all you know i also am a female, mother and professional in the medical field.
I hope you do not think that you are more intimately acquainted with my child and his development...because you are the ignorant one in that case.
You may think you are so open minded and the rest of us who disagree are somehow off in our views of reality… but the truth is human science and its opinions continually change and there is alot of valid medical evidence against the current views for transgendered individuals.

Dan - 26 February 2007 11:13 AM

What’s wrong with Larry’s veiws? He’s definitly entitled to them, and his veiws are by far not racist. That’s rediculous, the most rediculous things I’ve read.

When was race ever an issue? I don’t recall it every being mentioned.

This is not a hate issue but a sensablity issue. Who made people gay and wanting to be transgendered? God? Mother Nature? Cause the bible surely speaks against it..

The bible is interpreted by people to say a lot of different things. It’s just an opinion of what it might mean, it’s not factual. Please don’t use it as a reference if you want people to take you seriously. My opinion was based on real facts, yours on what you think the bible may say. There are many people who are devote christians that see a different interpretation than you do. You personally have no right to demand that the world take your personal interpretation as fact. You have no right to demand that others interpret it exactly as you do. It does not say outright that being homosexual is wrong and doesn’t address lesbians anywhere.

As a matter of fact, how many gay christians are there? How many out there attending church services on Sundays and during the week? If you’re gay and want to say you do, let me go ahead and call you a liar. And if you want to know why I call you a liar, then pick a bible and read it. Only then will you understand.

That’s pretty arrogant of you Dan! God doesn’t belong to heterosexuals only.

And what about mother nature?? Evolution is the evolvement of a species. A species would fail to evolve if the male and females only had sex with their same gender. Where do gay people fall into the evolutionary scale? they don’t!!!

It would more than fail to evolve, it would fail to exist at all. However, your example is flawed because only about 10% of people have sex with the same gender on an ongoing, exlusive basis. And this goes for all animals, not just people.

So Larry is just speaking truthfully from the heart and not sugar coating his ideas. A lot of people think that way.. I personally am not scared of gay people in the bathroom, but I don’t want them babysitting my boys. It’s not a hate issue, but a natural fear.

It’s a fear based on a lack of real information. Your children are statistically just as safe with a gay man as a hetero one. Nine out of ten molesters are not gay, they are straight. Because you have based your feelings and opinions on something that is not factual at all you have decided to hate this guy. You have even confused being gay with being transsexual when they are totally different things.

You are online. Use a search engine to find out what the facts are instead of trying to justify your hatred by using an interpretation of a belief. Better yet, I’ve done it for you. Stop a bit and educate yourself before you stick that foot back in your mouth.

http://transsexual.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexual
http://www.symposion.com/ijt/benjamin/

That goes for the rest of you that are holding that holy book over your heads as you trash this poor family’s situation. Shame on you all!

It is not about a lack of real information. It is a basic human nature issue....
A man who has a sex change, is still a man who has had a cosmetic reconstruction of his body, (or a female to male which is even less complete!)
If this man who seems to be a female, chooses to be with a male, many people would feel this is actually homosexuality under a guise. And the natural man involved may not want o be involved in homosexuality.
There have been several cases of the heteosexual male finding out the ‘woman’ is actually a man, and murdering the person. This is about deception, a lifestyle that involves complex deception....to do with sexuality, which is a very explosive issue.
I have gay friends who also think transexuality is strange.
Girls do not want a guy in disguise in their room or bathroom unless it is a joke ... and men do not want women disguised as men in the restrooms. Even men who go to prostitutes do not want a transexual.
We are made male and female. It is a big deal. Our entire culture is based on this fact in many ways.

Also, when it is treated like it is even an option, kids who are otherwise normal, can be mislead, misdiagnose themselves about this, just as easily as some kids can be brainwashed into a religious cult. Teens mind are very impressionable...and much damage can be done.
Doctors cannot even make this diagnoses.  Many of the medical professionals who are so pro trans rights, have often turned out to be transexuals themselves , some who even had a sex change.  Their professional opinions are more bias than mine as a mother!

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye?

Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

I can hardly read these posts without becoming enraged at the LACK of Christian values these holier than thou people are posting. What gives you the right to judge? Surely your God does not.

Whether homosexuality and transgender is accepted as part of your moral code or not, it is not your right as a Christian to judge Steve Stanton’s decision. He is being honest with himself, and with all of you. I think that is a fine quality in any manager, and I applaud his forthcoming. Maybe you should all take a step back and see what he had done right rather than condemn him for what (you think) he has done wrong.

I’m unsure how a person’s choice of attire could prove them to be unfit for their position as city manager. Has he proven himself unqualified for his job through work performance? Would you be more comfortable with a city manager who misappropriated funds, stole, lied, and carried on in a dishonest fashion? It seems I am the only one who is comforted by the honesty and openness SHE has offered all of us. Are those not “Christian” values?

Yes, it’s pretty tough to love as Jesus loved. It’s a tough act to follow. He doesn’t expect perfection—only that we strive for it. I agree with some of the posts here, in that there’s a lot of anger out there. To “hate sin” is one thing; to “love the sinner” another. To publicly criticize this man is not “loving him”. I don’t agree with what he’s doing, but neither do I condemn him. That’s between him and God.

Just last month a police department in the U.S. fired one of their female officers because she posed in Playboy Magazine.  I applauded the police departments’ decision.  There simply has to be a standard that has to be met in order to maintain any sense of decency and respect for your position, for what it stands for, and also for what your employer stands for.  What you say or do, or don’t do, reflects on who you are as a person inside and out, as well the company, business or city that you represent.

Some people want to do whatever they please and scream that it’s their “right”.  Then expect that it not affect their public persona or their jobs.  And are then upset that there are consequences when they cross moral or legal boundaries!

Come on, are people really that ignorant??

Someone said in one of the posts that the Bible does not say “outright” that it’s a sin to be gay/lesbian.  My comeback to that is, it doesn’t say outright that it ISN"T a sin either.

Bible or no bible, where do you draw the line in morality?  Just when are certain people going to say, enough is enough?  If ever!

The City Manager should only graded on performance while on the job.  Has the manager done a good job?  If yes, great.  If the manager has suddenly proven to be ineffective, in the past 2 weeks or so, then review the managers contract.

The Manager needs to be left to do the City’s work and their performance is the only thing that matters!

MICHAELAJV - 26 February 2007 05:13 PM

Bible or no bible, where do you draw the line in morality?  Just when are certain people going to say, enough is enough?  If ever!

I fail to see how morality is involved here. Explain this to me.

Morality means the distinction between right and wrong.  And the rules of right conduct.  Based on ethical rather than legal rights.  As defined in Websters Dictionary.

The fact that I had to give the definition to anyone speaks volumes.  I’m sure that there are many people who don’t know exactly what moral means.  And how to apply it in everyday life.

And therein lies one of the problems of today’s society.

I wasn’t looking for a definition. My post asks how this situation is not moral according to you . Please read my post a little slower next time.

I don’t see morals as being relevant.

I say let him stay. He has served the city with no problems before this. Even the mayor is supporting his choice.