hockeyray - 22 May 2008 11:10 PM

cavedog - 22 May 2008 08:35 PM

I remember the 60’s as a young boy.  I had a minibike, and I could fill up the gas tank for a dime.  Gas was 26.9 a gallon.  It was a grand old time.

Back in the good times the Rich always paid a marginal TAX RATE ABOVE 50%.  Maybe some of you working class folks will begin to see the light if you want the good old days back.

tax the Rich 99% on assets and income.

Dave

bavarialand - 23 May 2008 11:03 AM

hockeyray - 22 May 2008 11:10 PM

cavedog - 22 May 2008 08:35 PM

I remember the 60’s as a young boy.  I had a minibike, and I could fill up the gas tank for a dime.  Gas was 26.9 a gallon.  It was a grand old time.

Back in the good times the Rich always paid a marginal TAX RATE ABOVE 50%.  Maybe some of you working class folks will begin to see the light if you want the good old days back.

tax the Rich 99% on assets and income.

Dave

Assets (read: consumption) should be taxed, not income. Even the Founders felt an income tax was unconstitutional.

namjah - 23 May 2008 01:00 PM

bavarialand - 23 May 2008 11:03 AM

hockeyray - 22 May 2008 11:10 PM

cavedog - 22 May 2008 08:35 PM

I remember the 60’s as a young boy. I had a minibike, and I could fill up the gas tank for a dime. Gas was 26.9 a gallon. It was a grand old time.

Back in the good times the Rich always paid a marginal TAX RATE ABOVE 50%. Maybe some of you working class folks will begin to see the light if you want the good old days back.

tax the Rich 99% on assets and income.

Dave

Assets (read: consumption) should be taxed, not income. Even the Founders felt an income tax was unconstitutional.

Gee another hockeypuck, tax the rich, give it to me instead type.

Namjah, a consumption tax works on middle class and above, the poor will starve to death.

We had a lot of strife going on in the 60’s for sure, and social unrest, but we have the same
today, its just not raising its head as high yet, but its coming, just look at Great Britain and whats
going on with the Islamics there, they are demanding Shara’i Law and sadly making head way with the Archbishop of Canterbury’s arguring for it no less. Britains are wholesale leaving the country and taking what wealth there is with them. When this busts out here it will make the race riots of the 60’s look like a kindergarten sandbox tiff.

To Cavedogs list my comments are:

2. Stop ALL imigration.  We have enough people already and are fully cabable of breeding out own.
Illegal entrants would be executed.

4. Remove the illegal “income tax”, and implement a sales tax that would be fair to all. It must exclude necessities.  This must have a limit on the % that can be charged which cannot logically ever be increased.

7 & 8. Pull out of the mideast - supply both sides with arms and let them duke it out.

9. Lobbyists are into the business of bribery and should be executed.

Cavedog, the bad times you mention for the 60’s were the cboice of our insane “leaders”.  They did not have to do what they did.  The “social unrest” was a planned event.  The riots should have been dealt with using tanks and fireing real bullets to let people know that such behavior would not be tolerated.  We have created a spoiled class of people whose whining gets them whatever they want.
What they win we lose.

You people who think today’s America is so great must be very young.
You are forgetting that you used to be able to travel without being harrassed at airports.
You could go to the air freight terminal and park next to the plane.
You could walk around town or neighborhood at night and not worry about being attacked.
Cops weren’t so edgy that they beat up or killed people.
They didn’t bust into houses and kill innocent people. 
Going for a drive was relaxing.
You could swim in the lakes and the gulf without getting whatever infections.
There was no such thing as beach closings.

It does look like Europe is lost to the Muzzies, next is the US. When it “busts out here” you can bet that we will be cowed into rolling over and being Politically Correct exactly as we are now.  Anyone who speaks out will be called “racist” and “bigot” & hate monger, just like you do to me when I speak the truth of the matter.. And good bye to the white race.  The world will degnerate to savage state.  Even China will fall to them.  So live for the moment, eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you will be extinct.

Don’t you wonder why The Powers That Be either let this happen, or actually planned it?
There are theories and evidence that it was planned and has been in the planning for a very long time.  I don’t care to get into that with you.
You can do your own research. 

You might begin by coming to the realization that the time line of history is different than what you hae learned. That much that has been taught as ancient history really happened in the “middle ages”.  An indepth look as those monster cathedrals of Europe that are allegedly 1000 to 1500 years old are really only about 200 years old.  When your mind can readjust to this possibility you are ready to proceed.  History prior to the advent of the printing press is pretty much a hodge podge of conflicting and self serving info.

Sunshine Skyway remains an option the moment you really become sure all the good is behind you.

BTW, for the Reader At Large, if after reading one of OHZONE’s forecasting posts you feel like injecting a big load of heroin, it just means you’re normal.

But the urge will pass because as Layne Staley remind us, “Pain is self chosen”

Good audio recording here...Best played Loud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClRfnUhVjmI

Maxine Waters (D) California pretty well blurts out the pathway the party in charge has in store for us, in her comment during the Big Oil hearings.

What these yahoo’s in Congress do not understand is that even with the “obscene” profits American oil companies make, these dastardly deeders control a very small part of the world’s oil (less than 4%)

If AMERICAN big oil, and of course George Bush, is the problem, why is gasoline over 10 bucks a gallon in England and over 8 bucks in Denmark?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65111

Clem Kadiddlehopper - 24 May 2008 09:21 AM

If AMERICAN big oil, and of course George Bush, is the problem, why is gasoline over 10 bucks a gallon in England and over 8 bucks in Denmark?



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65111

Because they collect taxes differently than we do?

Clem Kadiddlehopper - 24 May 2008 09:21 AM

Maxine Waters (D) California pretty well blurts out the pathway the party in charge has in store for us, in her comment during the Big Oil hearings.

What these yahoo’s in Congress do not understand is that even with the “obscene” profits American oil companies make, these dastardly deeders control a very small part of the world’s oil (less than 4%)

If AMERICAN big oil, and of course George Bush, is the problem, why is gasoline over 10 bucks a gallon in England and over 8 bucks in Denmark?



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65111

Public utilities are pretty successful.

I can see the government making a case for a fixed amount for profit margin rather then a % of the cost of materials. It’s hard to justify making a larger profit just because the cost of your raw materials went up. Especially for an essential product that has a captive market without much competition.

In a truly competitive market, the corporation usually absorbs some increased costs of goods sold. You can bet McDonald’s doesn’t raise the price of their sandwiches by 11 cents when their cost for the bun goes up by 10 cents.

Maxine Waters pretty much rocks steady.  Thanks for the reminder.

Clem Kadiddlehopper - 24 May 2008 09:21 AM

Maxine Waters (D) California pretty well blurts out the pathway the party in charge has in store for us, in her comment during the Big Oil hearings.

What these yahoo’s in Congress do not understand is that even with the “obscene” profits American oil companies make, these dastardly deeders control a very small part of the world’s oil (less than 4%)

If AMERICAN big oil, and of course George Bush, is the problem, why is gasoline over 10 bucks a gallon in England and over 8 bucks in Denmark?



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65111

The day before these oil executives went into the Senate and cried poor.  They complained about having to compete against other countries WHO HAVE BIG NATIONALIZED OIL COMPANIES.

Their salaries are also an issue.  They are obscene.  Anything over $250,000 should be taxed at least 50% and these guys are getting a free ride.  They don’t work any harder than the guy on the rig or in the refinery.

I want to start the nationalization process with the insurance industry but if Maxene wants to include big oil she’s got my vote.

And someone needs to tell FIX news that Chavez is selling gas to his people at 25 cents a gallon which is most likely at cost since he doesn’t need to make a profit.

hockeyray - 24 May 2008 04:17 PM

Clem Kadiddlehopper - 24 May 2008 09:21 AM

Maxine Waters (D) California pretty well blurts out the pathway the party in charge has in store for us, in her comment during the Big Oil hearings.

What these yahoo’s in Congress do not understand is that even with the “obscene” profits American oil companies make, these dastardly deeders control a very small part of the world’s oil (less than 4%)

If AMERICAN big oil, and of course George Bush, is the problem, why is gasoline over 10 bucks a gallon in England and over 8 bucks in Denmark?



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65111

The day before these oil executives went into the Senate and cried poor.  They complained about having to compete against other countries WHO HAVE BIG NATIONALIZED OIL COMPANIES.

Their salaries are also an issue.  They are obscene.  Anything over $250,000 should be taxed at least 50% and these guys are getting a free ride.  They don’t work any harder than the guy on the rig or in the refinery.

I want to start the nationalization process with the insurance industry but if Maxene wants to include big oil she’s got my vote.

And someone needs to tell FIX news that Chavez is selling gas to his people at 25 cents a gallon which is most likely at cost since he doesn’t need to make a profit.

One of the reason these guys command such a big salary is because instead of figuring out how to get more oil they’re spending a lot of time in front of a bunch of A-holes who don’t know S##t trying to explain the facts of life

It might cut into time at the club.

The real explanations are made at the fund raisers when the campaign coffers are loaded up.

cavedog - 22 May 2008 08:35 PM

think - 22 May 2008 07:28 PM

The days when energy was cheap and life was simple enough to not need a lot of money to live are gone. We no longer make most of the products that we buy. Many good paying jobs have been lost. We are a debtor nation, dependent on other countries to supply us with products and having little to sell to them. We can’t grow out of our problems by adding more taxpayers because we are crowded now.

While the country might not be in the worst shape ever, we will never see as good of times as we have in the past.

This is a very normal reaction.  “The good ol days”.  People tend to gloss over or forget the bad times of recent history, and focus on the good parts.  I remember the 60’s as a young boy.  I had a minibike, and I could fill up the gas tank for a dime.  Gas was 26.9 a gallon.  It was a grand old time.

But we also had Vietnam, three major political assassinations (JFK, RFK, MLK), social unrest, racial unrest, brush wars all over the globe, Cold War (duck and cover), etc etc.  And that’s just the things that I remember!

None of the things you claim people gloss over or forget are things that any of us who lived through them will ever forget. Vietnam is forever etched in my memory. I assumed we would learn from these mistakes. Iraq proves that the only thing that was learned from Vietnam was to hide the dead soldiers being brought back.

In the past, people could pretty much expect that their children’s lives would be better than their own. Jobs were plentiful and there were relatively good paying jobs available at all education levels. Minimum wage jobs were mainly students and entry level. Today even a college degree can’t assure you of being able to find a job. Many graduates have to take a minimum wage job.

Until the 1980s, in much of the US, most people could build or buy a house for the equivalent of one years wages. Today there are very few people who make as much in a year as a house costs. Home loans that used to span ten years have to be stretched to 30 years and beyond to make payments affordable. House payments or rents used to be about one weeks take home pay with one working outside the home. Today most families have to have two people working outside the home to make ends meet.

Most jobs used to include benefits like health care and vacation time. Today fewer and fewer jobs include benefits due to high costs. Many companies hire through contract employment agencies to avoid paying benefits.

In the past a family might have a home loan and a car loan, today debt is rising fast. People borrow money for everything. There are check advance dealers all over. The Government is also going into debt in a major way and we can’t grow out of it like we have in the past.

We have every bit as much hanging over our heads as we did in the cold war. We are making enemies around the globe that we can’t afford to fight. We don’t have the manufacturing capacity to produce supplies for a conventional war. We have to count on our nuclear capability against people willing to commit suicide to attack us.

Rising energy prices and declining supplies will force us into alternative energy sources and an expensive changeover.

Such an excellent article.  I agree with so much of it.

There are certain things that were better back in the 60’s and 70’s when I grew up.  I’d be with my friends at their homes several blocks away, or on my bike riding pretty much wherever I wanted. As long as I was home by the time my parents told me to be, no one worried that I’d be abducted. 

Halloween was HUGE in our subivision. Everyone, kids in their costumes and many of the adults too, would be in the streets going from house to house collecting candy.  Didn’t matter if you knew exactly who lived in every single house, because you never worried that they’d try to poison you.

Most television shows had a moral to the story.  No filthy language, blood, guts. I loved Leave it to Beaver, I Love Lucy, the Ed Sullivan Show.  No VCRs.  If you missed it, you missed it!

Those were halcyon days for being a kid.

I think todays’ kids have missed out on many things that we took for granted when we were kids.  In many ways I think America is worse off than it used to be.  And in only some ways, do I think we’re better off.
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