I’m sure the people living in the 1950s would by and large be wowed by the 21st century USA

And I’m also sure that the 21st century USA is a far better place to live and to raise a family than was the 1950s USA

It’s all good.

One can disagree with my forecast about the inevitability of a future NAU and it will still come to pass.  The only logical alternative at this time is that the US military knowingly and willingly exterminates millions of people currently living south of the US border.

And yes, I realize we have at least a couple of readers among our humble fraternity who would applaud that, but fortunately you guys are few and far between the rest of us.

BTW, my methodical though at times slow self-education on speaking and writing Spanish has now graduated to approximately “sophomore” level.  I remain on track to be essentially fluent both ways by the end of 2009.

I heartily encourage all non-Spanish speaking Americans to learn Spanish so as to better be able to communicate with the growing bi-lingual population during the coming century.

I likewise encourage all non-English speaking North Americans to do the inverse for the same reasons.

SteveInClearwater - 27 May 2008 02:45 PM

I’m sure the people living in the 1950s would by and large be wowed by the 21st century USA

And I’m also sure that the 21st century USA is a far better place to live and to raise a family than was the 1950s USA

It’s all good.

One can disagree with my forecast about the inevitability of a future NAU and it will still come to pass.  The only logical alternative at this time is that the US military knowingly and willingly exterminates millions of people currently living south of the US border.


And yes, I realize we have at least a couple of readers among our humble fraternity who would applaud that, but fortunately you guys are few and far between the rest of us.

I have read Popular Mechanics from the 1950s and technology today is not nearly as advanced as was predicted for the turn of the century in these old magazines. These people had seen the transition from steam to gas, diesel, electric and nuclear power. They expected to see nuclear powered cars that never needed fuel that flew.

You have to be joking that now is a better time to raise a family than the 1950s!

Let’s face it; America was successful and prosperous because of it’s natural resources and manufacturing capabilities. As we have depleted our resources and moved manufacturing offshore, we are importing more than we export resulting in a weaker dollar. A NAU might improve the economy of Latin American nations, but it will drag the US further down.

think - 28 May 2008 11:30 PM

we are importing more than we export resulting in a weaker dollar. A NAU might improve the economy of Latin American nations, but it will drag the US further down.

I believe you see the light clearly Think, and see the agenda that is unfolding.

and on Steve’s comments, I think there are very few that want to see Mexico annihilated, they just want to see Mexicans stay in Mexico.  Americans can’t own property in prime areas there, that is with in 100 km of a border or 50 km of a shoreline, any shoreline, thats ocean, lake or river they can enter into a trust good for 50 years renewable for another 50 years at Mexico’s grace which means it can just as well be denied., a child born to an american in Mexico is not a Mexican citizen, and naturlaized citizen of Mexico does not have half the rights of born citizen.  some of my favorites from Mexico:

• Immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse.

• Immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights.

• Immigrants are denied equal employment rights.

• Immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real Mexican citizens.

• Immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service.

• Immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy.

• Private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants) and hand them to the authorities.

• Immigrants may be expelled from Mexico for any reason and without due process

one of my favorites:

“The Mexican constitution expressly forbids non-citizens to participate in the country’s political life. Non-citizens are forbidden to participate in demonstrations or express opinions in public about domestic politics. Article 9 states, “only citizens of the Republic may do so to take part in the political affairs of the country.” Article 33 is unambiguous: “Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.”

Yet they, illegal mexicans think nothing of protesting here.

think - 28 May 2008 11:30 PM

You have to be joking that now is a better time to raise a family than the 1950s!

I bet our differing perception on this may have its roots in our also having (for the moment) different perceptions of what is a “family”

I would concur that in the year 2008 in many parts of the USA, especially points further north and east (Think Michigan across to Massachusetts and then down to about the bottom of the active snow belt) that if one’s ambition is to marry and to create four, five (or more) kids in the manner not uncomon among 1950-1990 families, it’s probably a pretty damn tough row to hoe.

My ex and I combined to raise three children to adulthood starting in 1984 (they’re now 24, 22 and 19) and I can state with confidence today that despite often wild rides up and down, we pulled it off pretty well and certainly in comparable or even better fashion than did our parents (hers raised four, mine raised five).

In the year 2008 if I was appointed Head Counselor For Family Planning, I’d issue the following guidelines and if adhered to I’m confident that yes, “Today is a great time to raise a family in the USA”

1) Don’t birth a child until you’ve got a household income of at least $50K. One or two wage earners not the biggest issue, but the base income is.

If the area you are living in honestly does not provide you with ready ways to make that happen - Relocate as quickly as possible.

2) Don’t birth a child until you’ve got a mortgage on at least a two bedroom, 1000+ sq ft home

3) Don’t buy automobiles with less than two years use on them so that you’re not eating the first 24 months of deprecation off “new retail price”.

4) Have both partners become - if not already - bilingual for Spanish and English.

And btw, that includes making sure you’re at least college entry level literate in English.

5) When you’re ready to birth children, have two and no more until those two are at least 10 years old.

Other basics apply and are likely no different than in past years. Become involved in your kids education.  Work where possible with the schools for academics and extracurriculars.  Make sure your kids also become bilingual with Spanish/English as the start.

Become involved in community programs, intramurals, church groups, music groups, athletics.

Dunno....Anything more and all I’m doing is pretty much Pasting long-established methods of successfully raising a family.

Finally, if you yourself or someone else with who you are presented expresses the desire to “raise a family” but doesn’t wish to commit to following the general model described above, I invite reconsideration of the notion. 

You can almost always do it a later date.  Healthy couples can have children anytime up to early 40s which gives most folks 10, 15 or 20 years to get their lives aligned in the most advantageous ways for raising a successful family.

Meanwhile, DUSTY’s list of Mexican social and legal customs which appear to run contrary to what we as Americans have come to expect as reasonable community standards of living is a list that can be methodically addressed and reformed.

All it takes is increased sensible diplomacy between our two countries as we further assimilate in peaceful fashion the two geographic areas currently desiganted “Mexico” and “The USA”.

Patience, brothers.

It won’t happen overnight.

It “began” in about the late 1970s and I wouldn’t be surprised to see it take until at least the year 2030 (almost three generations) before a more codified and cohesive “Union” is brought into tanglble reality.

the “vision” of America you have is far different from the vision these people have. and these people are in a position to make thier “VISION” of America happen. have fun in your “NEW” America.
Dave
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What we need is the destruction of whiteness, which is the source of human misery in the world.” [REV. JAMES CONE- Quoted in David Horowitz, Hating Whitey, Spence Publishing, 1999, p. 44.]

California is going to be a Mexican state, we are going to control all the institutions. If people don’t like it they should leave.” [MARIO OBLEDO-(1998 Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient and former head of Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund-MALDEF) Tom Leykis Radio Show, June 7, 1998.]

“You can’t steal nothin from a white man, he’s already stole it he owes you anything you want, even his life. All the stores will open up if you will say the magic words. The magic words are: Up against the wall motherf- this is a stick up!” [AMIRI BARAKA (black poet and writer) Quoted in Anne Wortham, The Other Side of Racism, Ohio State University Press, 1981, p. 257.]

“Hollywood is owned by these so-called Jews. Look at the movies they make about us, black people killing black people. Let’s make some revolutionary movies where we kill white people in the movie. Kill ‘em so hard you have to cover up your popcorn from the blood spraying out of the screen.” [KHALID ABDUL MUHAMMED (former assistant to Louis Farrakhan-current leader of the New Black Panther Party) Speech at San Francisco State University, May 21, 1997.]

“We kill the women. We kill the babies. We kill the blind. We kill the cripples. We kill them all…. When you get through killing them all, go to the goddamn graveyard and kill them a-goddamn-gain because they didn’t die hard enough."[KHALID ABDUL MUHAMMED (on what South African blacks should do to any whites who refuse to leave South Africa) November 29, 1993 speech at Kean College in Union, New Jersey.]

Sonny Carson (black activist in New York, when asked if he was anti-Semitic) : “I am anti-white. I don’t limit my ‘anti’ to just one group of people.” [Mark Mooney, “Ex-Dinkins Organizer Boasts He’s ‘AntiWhite’” New York Post, October 21, 1989, p. 3.]

“After looking at all the evidence there is only one conclusion: white people are devils…. I believe that we must secure our freedom and independence from these devils by any means necessary, including violence…. To protect ourselves we should bear arms (three handguns and two rifles, maybe an M-16) immediately and form a militia. …. So black people, let us unite, organize, and execute.” [Chino Wilson, “African American Students Should Not Trust ‘Devilish ‘ White People,” The Daily Collegian, Penn State University, January 28, 1992.]

Gus Savage (former U.S. Representative from Chicago to a white member of the press) “I don’t talk to you white motherf- .… You bitch motherf- in the white press…. F- you, you motherf-ing asshole white devils.” (Marilyn Rauber, “Reporter Says Black Rep Hurled Racial Slurs,” New York Post, June 27, 1991, p. 18.)

Eldrege Cleaver (former Black Panther leader on why he raped white women): “Rape was an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man’s law, upon his system of values, and that I was defiling his women.” [Eldridge Cleaver, Soul on Ice, McGraw-Hill, 1968, p.14.]

“The death of over 120 white people is a very beautiful thing.” [MALCOLM X-Speech in Los Angeles on June 3, 1962 upon learning of a plane crash. He also said on numerous occasions, “The white man is the devil."] “I don’t care about your idiot children.” [WILLIE BROWN (Mayor of San Francisco, to a white parent complaining that affirmative action would penalize his children) The Social Contract, Summer 1998, p. 290.]

“Remember, [Proposition] 187 [the measure to cut public benefits to illegal aliens] is the last gasp of white America.” [ART TORRES (former chairman, California Democratic Party)- The Social Contact, Summer 1998, p. 290.]

Geraldo Rivera on Al Sharpton: “One of the great civil-rights leaders in America.” (For The Record, National Review—July 20, 1998, pg. 6)

“Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them.” [MARY FRANCES BERRY (current head of U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, Civil Rights Under Reagan), San Francisco, ICS Press, 1991, p. 141.]

“We’re here today to show L.A., show the minority people here, the Anglo-Saxons, that we are here, the majority, we’re here to stay. We do the work in this city, we take care of the spoiled brat children…. we are the majority here and we are not going to be pushed around.” (AUGUSTIN CEBADA, Head of the Brown Berets, a Hispanic activist organization at a July 4, 1996 rally)

“Go back to Simi Valley, you skunks! Go back to Woodland Hills! Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people, it is your duty to die.” [AUGUSTIN CEBADA Quoted in Barbara Coe, Reconquista, The Takeover of America, California Coalition for Immigration Reform, 1998, p. 20.]

Khallid Abdul Muhammad: “We are here to say that violence and racism and hatred of the white man in America is just as American as apple and cherry pie.” (Las Vegas Review-Journal and Sun—June 14, 1998, pg. 3A)

Peter Brimelow: “But the double standards are irritating. Anyone who has got into an immigration debate with, for example, Hispanic activists must be instantly aware that some of them really are consumed by the most intense racial animosity--directed against whites. How come what’s sauce for the goose is not sauce for the ganso?” (Alien Nation—1995, pg. 11)

see part 2.

PART 2
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“[Jim Mellen] marched with the Weathermen in their “Days of Rage” in Chicago, trashing downtown businesses to protest “Amerikan” racism and the “imperialist” war. He became the group’s “theoretician,” writing their famous declaration of race war: “You Don’t Need a Weatherman to Know Which Way the Wind Blows.” In this war, America’s white radicals were going to act as a fifth column, to help the darker races conquer America and divide its ill-gotten spoils. It was the same war that the May 19 Communist Organization was seeking to instigate with its failed robbery attempt.” (David Horowitz ,Radical Son—1997, pg. 335)

“We have an aging white America. They are dying. They are shitting in their pants with fear!… I love it!"-[PROF. JOSE ANGEL GUTIERREZ (University of Texas, Arlington) Speech of Jan. 1995, quoted in Coe, Reconquista, p.. 16.]

“You guys have been practicing discrimination for years. Now it is our turn..” [SUPREME COURT JUSTICE THURGOOD MARSHALL (in a conversation with Justice William Douglas about racial preferences) William O. Douglas, The Court Years 1939-1975, New York, Random House, 1980.]

“I am writing this essay sitting beside an anonymous white male that I long to murder.” [BELL HOOKS (black professor of English at City College of New York) From her book A Killing Rage, quoted by David Horowitz in Hating Whitey, Spence Publishing, 1999, p. 31.]

“If black people kill black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people."(SISTER SOULJAH (rap artist and black activist [R.W. Apple “Jackson Sees ‘Character Flaw’ in Clinton’s Remarks on Racism, New York Times, June 19, 1992.]

“The Germans had a deeply embedded demonic and programmed anti-Semitic drive to eliminate Jews.” (Prof. Daniel J. Goldhagen (Der Spiegel—21/1996, pg. 72)

“Managing diversity activists emphasize that their sessions are designed to fight white hubris. Sometimes this is done in a heavy-handed way, through “shame and blame” sessions focused on white men. “White male is what I call the newest swear word in America,” consultant Harris Susan acknowledges. .... [diversity consultant] Katz’s solution? “Whites need to be reeducated.” Another consultant, Jacqueline Dickens, argues, “Whites have got to be willing to be uncomfortable until they learn what they may be doing that’s offensive, and black people have got to be willing to take on the role of teacher.” (Dinesh D’souza (The End of Racism—1995, pg. 329)

“I’m gonna say this. It’s white men that have made a mess of this country,” [state Rep. Charles] Morrow [D-Chicago] said. ... “I’m not saying all white men are bad. We have a lot more bad ones than good ones,” .. . (Carrie Napoleon (Star News “Racial comment sparks controversy”—3/08/98)

“Caucasians are programmed to be pillagers, murderers, cheaters,” he insisted. “This comes with their mother’s milk.” (The Staff of The New York Times, The Story Behind the Tawana Brawley Hoax—1990, pg. 8) To Rookard, the news of Tawana Brawley had the ring of truth. “I know it has to be real because I know the area,” he said. “I know what those white people are capable of and what the white world in general is ashamed to admit.” (pg. 71)

“My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others’ agony. If I could peel myself inside out I would be glad. If I could become part of the oppressed I would be free.” (Robin Morgan (The Demon Lover: On the Sexuality of Terrorism—1989, pg. 224)

“In white America, cultural conservatism takes the form of a chronic racism, sexism, and homophobia. ... for white America, this means primarily scapegoating black people, women, gay men, and lesbians.” (Cornel West (Race Matters—1993, pg. 27)

“It goes without saying that a profound hatred of African people (as seen in slavery, lynching, segregation, and second-class citizenship) sits at the center of American civilization.” (pg. 73) “We are used to hearing the Founders charged with being racists, murderers of Indians, representatives of class interests.” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society—1992, pg. 57 )

“Europe has reigned long enough; it is the source of most of the evil in the world anyway;” (pg. 64) “The Western tradition, in this view, is inherently racist, sexist, “classist,” hegemonic, irredeemably repressive, irredeemably oppressive.” (pg. 123) “Western European culture is the most destructive phenomenon in the known history of the planet. ... It is deeply hateful of life and committed to death;” ((Dinesh D’souza, Illiberal Education—1992, pg. 7)

[T]he United States has “taken this incredibly fertile continent and utterly destroyed it with a ravaging hatred.” (pg. 18) In 1985, black trumpeter Miles Davis said, “If somebody told me I only had an hour to live, I’d spend it choking a white man. I’d do it nice and slow.” (Jared Taylor (Paved With Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations in America—1992, pg. 233)

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PART 3
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On the night of May 18, 1993, in Miami, a mere thirteen people--the Metropolitan Dade County Commission-- voted to repeal a thirteen-year- old ordinance declaring English the official language of local government. ... Many in the commission, including Hispanics, laughed when “Anglos” at the meeting complained that their very way of life was in danger of being destroyed. ... This meeting marked the first time that pure competitive demographics prompted a decision to effectively break down the dominance of the unifying American language; it was the first time any government, at any level, in the history of America, was able officially to reject English as the official language, and it was the bellwether of a far larger transformational agenda being pushed on various levels across the country. (Georgie Anne Geyer (Americans No More: The Death of Citizenship—1996, pg. 82-83)

“Being in the system, man, you gotta know how to handle stress. Remember when we used to go round looking for white boys, and when we’d find one we’d beat him until we got tired?” That is why [James] Baldwin can write, in 1972, ... “[I]t is not necessary for a black man to hate a white man, or to have any particular feelings about him at all, in order to realize that he must kill him.” (Arnold Beichman, Anti-American Myths—1993, pg. 46)

[Chris Rock, actor] on being bused to a poor white neighborhood: “Ain’t nothing scarier than poor white people. Even white people are scared of poor white people. They lived under the trailer home. They weren’t white trash; they were white toxic waste.” (Jill Nelson, Las Vegas Review-Journal and Sun—USA WEEKEND—July 10-12, 1998, pgg. 5)

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i think those are enough examples to show what the “VISION” of America is for some select groups. unfortunately those groups are not sitting on the butts, they are mobilized and fighting to make it happen. and it will.

Dave

Admittedly, being a (supposedly) pure white guy who hates all non-pures can’t be the best seat in the house in the coming century

SteveInClearwater - 29 May 2008 01:20 PM

Admittedly, being a (supposedly) pure white guy who hates all non-pures can’t be the best seat in the house in the coming century

Yeah, that would be tough. Multi-ethnic America is a reality, and it’s not going back to the 90% white days. The sooner one comes to peace with that idea, the better off they’ll be.

SteveInClearwater - 29 May 2008 02:11 AM

Meanwhile, DUSTY’s list of Mexican social and legal customs which appear to run contrary to what we as Americans have come to expect as reasonable community standards of living is a list that can be methodically addressed and reformed.

All it takes is increased sensible diplomacy between our two countries as we further assimilate in peaceful fashion the two geographic areas currently desiganted “Mexico” and “The USA”.

Patience, brothers.

It won’t happen overnight.

It “began” in about the late 1970s and I wouldn’t be surprised to see it take until at least the year 2030 (almost three generations) before a more codified and cohesive “Union” is brought into tanglble reality.

As I’ve said in the past.......3 siblings have a conversation. One, through hard work and thrift, has become very wealthy. Another one gets by, and the third can’t rub two nickles together. The conversation goes like this; “Let’s pool our resources for the better good.” Just where do you suppose the “resources” are going to come from?

And so it will be with the NAU.

think - 28 May 2008 11:30 PM

SteveInClearwater - 27 May 2008 02:45 PM

I’m sure the people living in the 1950s would by and large be wowed by the 21st century USA

And I’m also sure that the 21st century USA is a far better place to live and to raise a family than was the 1950s USA

It’s all good.

One can disagree with my forecast about the inevitability of a future NAU and it will still come to pass.  The only logical alternative at this time is that the US military knowingly and willingly exterminates millions of people currently living south of the US border.


And yes, I realize we have at least a couple of readers among our humble fraternity who would applaud that, but fortunately you guys are few and far between the rest of us.

I have read Popular Mechanics from the 1950s and technology today is not nearly as advanced as was predicted for the turn of the century in these old magazines. These people had seen the transition from steam to gas, diesel, electric and nuclear power. They expected to see nuclear powered cars that never needed fuel that flew.

You have to be joking that now is a better time to raise a family than the 1950s!

Let’s face it; America was successful and prosperous because of it’s natural resources and manufacturing capabilities. As we have depleted our resources and moved manufacturing offshore, we are importing more than we export resulting in a weaker dollar. A NAU might improve the economy of Latin American nations, but it will drag the US further down.

“You have to be joking that now is a better time to raise a family than the 1950s!” end quote

I agree.  Other than the advancements in medicine, I too do not think that todays’ America is better to raise a family, than the America of the 50’s.  No, not everything was wonderful in the 50’s, that decade had it’s own problems, but overall, as far as morals, values and religion, pride in America (patriotism), those things mattered in the 50’s.  Today, not so much.

Clem Kadiddlehopper - 29 May 2008 06:23 PM

SteveInClearwater - 29 May 2008 02:11 AM

Meanwhile, DUSTY’s list of Mexican social and legal customs which appear to run contrary to what we as Americans have come to expect as reasonable community standards of living is a list that can be methodically addressed and reformed.

All it takes is increased sensible diplomacy between our two countries as we further assimilate in peaceful fashion the two geographic areas currently desiganted “Mexico” and “The USA”.

Patience, brothers.

It won’t happen overnight.

It “began” in about the late 1970s and I wouldn’t be surprised to see it take until at least the year 2030 (almost three generations) before a more codified and cohesive “Union” is brought into tanglble reality.

As I’ve said in the past.......3 siblings have a conversation. One, through hard work and thrift, has become very wealthy. Another one gets by, and the third can’t rub two nickles together. The conversation goes like this; “Let’s pool our resources for the better good.” Just where do you suppose the “resources” are going to come from?

And so it will be with the NAU.

The three siblings analogy is fun, but belies the fact that as the countries morph closer together, increased industry and business will move south of the current US border.  This will inject a huge amount of capital, growth and subsequent wealth into the population living in that region of the newly formed NAU.  Many current Americans will find it smart to relocate and be part of the expansion. 

In inverse fashion to what we’ve seen for the past couple decades, these Americans (probably mostly from the northern areas of the USA) will then be sending back a lot of their capital growth to the parts of the US which are currently in great economic depression.

Detroit, Indiana, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Philly, upstate NY, West Virginia all come to mind.

Yes, those cities may currently have a lot of people without “two nickels to rub together”, but they can get better once increased economic and business opportunities open further south.

MICHAELAJV - 29 May 2008 06:29 PM

“You have to be joking that now is a better time to raise a family than the 1950s!” end quote

I agree.  Other than the advancements in medicine, I too do not think that todays’ America is better to raise a family, than the America of the 50’s.  No, not everything was wonderful in the 50’s, that decade had it’s own problems, but overall, as far as morals, values and religion, pride in America (patriotism), those things mattered in the 50’s.  Today, not so much.

I’m sure your perception is honestly shared.  But your faulty conclusion is belied by the millions of Americans who right this minute are successfully raising healthy, productive families all across the USA.

My three adult kids are all, for the moment, childless.

But I look forward to seeing what choices they make and being part of watching them be maybe as many as three more who raise happy, healthy and productive families during the coming century.