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Posted: 24 June 2008 10:18 PM  
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Because you think Ripped and crew are only going after the pulpit pimps because they are costing the Body of Christ money says to me you are missing the boat.

Money is the tip of the iceberg. I will not go into all the deceptions of the pulpit pimps right now because you have been on this forum for awhile and I will go out on on limb and assume you have a brain and have read the previous posts.

The pulpit pimps are NOT only after your money (thought that is their goal), they are after your soul. Anyone who has spent time under their teachings will testify to that.  They are a cult. They are from the pit of hell. 

Please do not blow off our work as something where we are only concerned about people’s money and not their salvation.

When you do finally leave the prosperity message and their whores. . .it can take years to recover.

You have obviously never walked in our shoes and it is pompous of you to judge our work.

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Posted: 25 June 2008 09:06 AM  
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Carmela...>>You have obviously never walked in our shoes and it is pompous of you to judge our work.

Carmela, au contraire...while I agree that the pulpit pimps are preaching a false gospel and in essence are in the bank transfer game, that is, they transfer the wealth of individual donors and families to their bank account.

My complaint with you, Ripped and crew is your refusal to take a stand against dangerous false teaching (as traditional Evangelical thought would define it).

Tony, Gabe & crew’s doctrine is clearly anti-NT, anti-Traditional Orthodox Christianity, anti-Grace, anti- Evangelical thought. Period - and NO getting around this fact.

They are an Hebraic Roots SECT (as even Messianic Jews would define them).

Again, you all present yourselves as Evangelical watchdogs watching out for the sheep, yet not a peep is spoken in defense of Evangelical thought.

Why is that? Is it because Tony is an ally in your fight with dandy Randy & Paula? Do you compromise Evangelical standards for such an alliance?

What about spiritual concern for young, unstable or possible new believers who would fall under their doctrinal sway?

This is not a minor issue. This is not an Evangelical quibble whether women should be in ministry or not . This battle goes right to the heart of Evangelical doctrine, eg, what constitutes Salvation: Grace or works of the OT Law?

This is a battle of theology that Galatians 1:6-9 highlights.

Now Tony, Gabe & crew have the right to post their theology, as I have a right to refute it.

But where are you all, the self-proclaimed Watchdogs for the sheep?

I’ve watched you all go after the TV6 with a vengeance, like crocodiles in the Nile go after Antelopes when crossing.

Yet, again, I’ve seen nor heard even a whisper or a whimper when defending Evangelical truth.

Until you all take a stance, in my mind, you’re just watchdogs barking up one tree and one tree only.

ps I’m not suggesting you go after Tony & crew like you do the tv6, but at least take a stand on this forum for Evangelical belief - if that’s what you truly believe.

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Posted: 25 June 2008 11:43 AM  
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I agree with the above quote, if its about protecting the flock, then favoritism should not be practiced, and encouraging someone or refusing to refute somebody because they support your efforts, but are practicing falsehoods as well is condracting the cause.  One can support you and still be wrong doctinely, so if it really about protecting souls, then its about protecting from any public falsehoods being displayed as biblical truth or knowledge. Its only proven to cause confusion and anger, and the evidence of that is throughout these 70 plus pages of postings. People who are in agreement regarding WWIC are in battle over the scriptures themselves. If what WWIC is porporting as biblical is threating the flock then anyone falsely representing salvation, regardless of whether or not they support the WWIC , should certainly not be supported and you can’t get more blatant than a professed believer, who also claims to be an informed believer to suggest for all to at least consider Judas Iscariot, the betrayer of the Gospel, to be the good guy. Its Ludicrous, an the bible says anyone who comes to you with a different gospel is accursed. The so called publishing of “The Gospel of Judas “ is most certainly a different gospel. So what impact is one making by speaking out against a place just as WWIC and supporting someone who trying to resurrect Judas in the hearts and minds of posters in this board?  Spiritually speaking, it cancels out the cause. Im sure things would go a whole lot more smoothly for this cause, if there was no one on these boards who read and studied the scriptures for themselves. Thank God this is not the case.

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Posted: 25 June 2008 12:00 PM  
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In Jesus Name Blessing to you Forum Family.

Hammertime, Seer May you be blessed for speaking truth, I have read your posts and concur that you are both speaking TRUTH according to the GOSPEL of Christ.  Keep on Keeping on.  But remember that your fight is NOT with Flesh and Blood and the weapons of OUR Warfare are NOT Carnal.

I believe that the only COMMANDMENTS that are active are the twelve - 10 that the Father gave Moses and 2 that Jesus Christ added, that is ALL!!! 

Be blessed and be a blessing

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Posted: 25 June 2008 12:45 PM  
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Very well put Seer!  Couldn’t have said it better myself. 

Two things you can count on though:

1.  Carmela is not going to respond to your statements.  She is a coward like that.  She may pick apart a few sentences or other people’s comments but she will never directly address the issues you brought up. 

2.  Tony and his multiple ID’s will pollute this thread with his vitrolic and idiotic posts.  But I think you already know that.

Good job!

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Hammertime - 25 June 2008 11:43 AM

I agree with the above quote, if its about protecting the flock, then favoritism should not be practiced, and encouraging someone or refusing to refute somebody because they support your efforts, but are practicing falsehoods as well is condracting the cause. One can support you and still be wrong doctinely, so if it really about protecting souls, then its about protecting from any public falsehoods being displayed as biblical truth or knowledge. Its only proven to cause confusion and anger, and the evidence of that is throughout these 70 plus pages of postings. People who are in agreement regarding WWIC are in battle over the scriptures themselves. If what WWIC is porporting as biblical is threating the flock then anyone falsely representing salvation, regardless of whether or not they support the WWIC , should certainly not be supported and you can’t get more blatant than a professed believer, who also claims to be an informed believer to suggest for all to at least consider Judas Iscariot, the betrayer of the Gospel, to be the good guy. Its Ludicrous, an the bible says anyone who comes to you with a different gospel is accursed. The so called publishing of “The Gospel of Judas “ is most certainly a different gospel. So what impact is one making by speaking out against a place just as WWIC and supporting someone who trying to resurrect Judas in the hearts and minds of posters in this board? Spiritually speaking, it cancels out the cause. Im sure things would go a whole lot more smoothly for this cause, if there was no one on these boards who read and studied the scriptures for themselves. Thank God this is not the case.

In other words you people believe that one should not examine anything but what you THINK.
You have refuted me because I post what is of public record and not because necessarily hold it as doctrine. You can refute till your blue in the face but facts are fact and your ignorants will only promote the wrong doctrine due to your inability to reason with anyone as to what is out there. I don’t see you refuting anything except what I say so it’s me your refute not what I post. You have yet to show any reason to people on these threads why they should believe EVERYTHING you post. What I post about Judas has nothing to do with my belief’s it has to do with the fact it’s there in your face. If you want to be an ostrich and hide then be my guest but don’t try intimation which is no different of a tactic than what most of these folks have left. Again thank you for all your help in promoting the truth that the Torah of God is still alive and well and in the hearts of many. Little do you know this so called sect is growing so fast that the Jews are in fact becoming jealous not because of your theology but because people are flocking back to the Torah of YHVH, His feast and Sabbath’s and not man and his interpretation. We are followers of the WAY, the way of the Messiah not a man made religion. SHOW ME AND EVERYONE ELSE WHAT I POSTED THAT WOULD MAKE ME A NONE BELIEVER OF THE TRUTH? Not your ideology but and doctrine but my words which you state refutes the truth. MY WORDS ONLY PLEASE.

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Posted: 25 June 2008 01:07 PM  
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Truth has been spoken today I to would like to see in print these accusations put forth by these Philistines.

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BISHOPS - 25 June 2008 01:07 PM

Truth has been spoken today I to would like to see in print these accusations put forth by these Philistines.

WHY NOT, SOUNDS LIKE A WINNER TO ME. SHOW [EVERYONE] WHAT YOU’VE GOT SO THEY TO CAN MAKE-UP THERE OWN MIND AS TO WHAT IS TRUTH AND WHAT IS NOT

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Posted: 25 June 2008 01:14 PM  
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OUTER.LIMITS - 25 June 2008 01:10 PM

BISHOPS - 25 June 2008 01:07 PM
Truth has been spoken today I to would like to see in print these accusations put forth by these Philistines.

WHY NOT, SOUNDS LIKE A WINNER TO ME. SHOW [EVERYONE] WHAT YOU’VE GOT SO THEY TO CAN MAKE-UP THERE OWN MIND AS TO WHAT IS TRUTH AND WHAT IS NOT

I remember several times you posted articles of non religious in nature and seer jumped on you any way. What a liar and full of hatred. You told everyone in advance you where going to set her up and then spank the hell out of her. She’s always a big help in receiving a spanking.

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Posted: 25 June 2008 01:17 PM  
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Yep sucker do a copy and paste so you can back up what you claim. As it stands today you have helped promote more of the truth than Tony [me] ever could.

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Posted: 25 June 2008 01:29 PM  
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The Doctor Of Spank - 25 June 2008 01:17 PM

Yep sucker do a copy and paste so you can back up what you claim. As it stands today you have helped promote more of the truth than Tony [me] ever could.

GEE I’m over whelmed guy’s and very humbled as well at this point. I have never had this Philistine tell the truth. I have posted many times showing her lies and how she can be deceitful towards unsuspecting new comer’s. She has show how the T.V. 6 and others pervert the truth. Again you are such a tremendous help in showing others what not to be. To think If I where as you say I would have had to pay someone what you did for free.

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Posted: 25 June 2008 01:32 PM  
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OUTER.LIMITS - 25 June 2008 01:10 PM

BISHOPS - 25 June 2008 01:07 PM
Truth has been spoken today I to would like to see in print these accusations put forth by these Philistines.

WHY NOT, SOUNDS LIKE A WINNER TO ME. SHOW [EVERYONE] WHAT YOU’VE GOT SO THEY TO CAN MAKE-UP THERE OWN MIND AS TO WHAT IS TRUTH AND WHAT IS NOT

I’m still waiting for Sunshine to post those numerous forums to which she says we would be refuted and slapped down [LOL].

For me personally, I see Deuteronomy 4:1-2 instructing me to live by the portion of the Word which is the Torah and that I do not need to go beyond that or “add” to what was already written and instructed. The question arises, “Does one need confirmation from any other writing(s) to validate obedience to the instruction given?” Not in my mind; that’s why I choose to obey Torah and need no other source for my guidance.  The following scriptures in Deuteronomy tell us: 

Deut 4:1-2
“Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I teach you to observe, that you may live, and go in and possess the land which YHWH God of your fathers is giving you. 2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of YHWH your God which I command you.

Deut 12:32
32 “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.

I’ve provided the following definition of the above words from the Hebrew:

Not
OT:3808 lo’ or low’ or loh (Deut 3:11) —
not, no
a) not (with verb, absolute prohibition)
b) not (with modifier, negation)
c) nothing (substantive)
d) without (with particle)
e) before (used of time)

Add
OT:3254 yacaph —
to add, to increase, to do again
a) (Qal) to add, to increase, to do again
b) (Niphal)
1) to join, to join oneself to
2) to be joined, to be added to
c) (Hiphil)
1) to cause to add, to increase
2) to do more, to do again

Word
OT:1696 dabar —
to speak, to declare, to converse, to command, to promise, to warn, to threaten, to sing
a) (Qal) to speak
b) (Niphal) to speak with one another, to talk
c) (Piel)
1) to speak
2) to promise
d) (Pual) to be spoken
e) (Hithpael) to speak
f) (Hiphil) to lead away, to put to flight

OT:1697 dabar —
speech, a word, speaking, a thing
a) speech
b) a saying, an utterance
c) a word, words
d) business, occupation, acts, matter, case, something, manner (by extension)

Proverbs Chapter 30 also tells us:

Prov 30:5-6
5 Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. 6 Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Hey bro, we aren’t fighting against flesh and blood, but of biblical retardation in clueless places.

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Posted: 25 June 2008 01:41 PM  
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Damn Tony.  That is really sad.

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Royal_Priesthood - 25 June 2008 12:00 PM

In Jesus Name Blessing to you Forum Family.

Hammertime, Seer May you be blessed for speaking truth, I have read your posts and concur that you are both speaking TRUTH according to the GOSPEL of Christ.  Keep on Keeping on.  But remember that your fight is NOT with Flesh and Blood and the weapons of OUR Warfare are NOT Carnal.

I believe that the only COMMANDMENTS that are active are the twelve - 10 that the Father gave Moses and 2 that Jesus Christ added, that is ALL!!! 

Be blessed and be a blessing

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Thanks RP, not so much for your blessing, than for the always needed reminder, that our weapons are spiritual, are mighty, for the pulling down of strongholds and all that which exhaults itself over the knowledge of God. (such as as the belief that somehow Judas did us all a favor, pardon me I just had to reiterate that one)

In considering this scripture in light of these boards, I realize how important it is not to react or post out of anger, or even idignation, righteaous or not. Being one who can readily admit, I have allowed my own anger to get me off kilter regarding my interest in these boards to begin with, the wisdom of the scripture mentioned in your post RP, mentions to me that its what we cannot see that is truly making any difference, and how this board is percieved, in the long run, will not be all that significant. Do these threads serve as a weapon? Yes, of sorts, but these boards are also merely a vehicle that lends itself to varied agendas, ideas, opinions and now and again a good solid dose of WISDOM. The true spiritual battle is not even in the words we write. All over these theads we can find examples of how the written word kills, having pulled back myself I know that its the hearts of faith and prayers that accompany them thats winning this battle and none of us truly know the outcome, UNLESS WE ALL CAN AGREE, that by the Blood the battle is won and we can let the Lord work out the details. We may all be surprised. Are the postings on these boards winning this battle? Not according to the scriptures.

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seer - 25 June 2008 09:06 AM

Carmela...>>You have obviously never walked in our shoes and it is pompous of you to judge our work.

Carmela, au contraire...while I agree that the pulpit pimps are preaching a false gospel and in essence are in the bank transfer game, that is, they transfer the wealth of individual donors and families to their bank account.

My complaint with you, Ripped and crew is your refusal to take a stand against dangerous false teaching (as traditional Evangelical thought would define it).

Tony, Gabe & crew’s doctrine is clearly anti-NT, anti-Traditional Orthodox Christianity, anti-Grace, anti- Evangelical thought. Period - and NO getting around this fact.

They are an Hebraic Roots SECT (as even Messianic Jews would define them).

Again, you all present yourselves as Evangelical watchdogs watching out for the sheep, yet not a peep is spoken in defense of Evangelical thought.

Why is that? Is it because Tony is an ally in your fight with dandy Randy & Paula? Do you compromise Evangelical standards for such an alliance?

What about spiritual concern for young, unstable or possible new believers who would fall under their doctrinal sway?

This is not a minor issue. This is not an Evangelical quibble whether women should be in ministry or not . This battle goes right to the heart of Evangelical doctrine, eg, what constitutes Salvation: Grace or works of the OT Law?

This is a battle of theology that Galatians 1:6-9 highlights.

Now Tony, Gabe & crew have the right to post their theology, as I have a right to refute it.

But where are you all, the self-proclaimed Watchdogs for the sheep?

I’ve watched you all go after the TV6 with a vengeance, like crocodiles in the Nile go after Antelopes when crossing.

Yet, again, I’ve seen nor heard even a whisper or a whimper when defending Evangelical truth.

Until you all take a stance, in my mind, you’re just watchdogs barking up one tree and one tree only.

ps I’m not suggesting you go after Tony & crew like you do the tv6, but at least take a stand on this forum for Evangelical belief - if that’s what you truly believe.

First of all you are assuming that I have “caught” the same revelation you have against Tony and Gabe.  I have not. You state what a danger they are to the Body of Christ and how dare I not join in your fight. Am I to join your fight because of your request?

My decisions regarding what I fight and what I choose not to are my own. I pick my battles for reasons that I do not feel a need to share with you.

You’ve chosen your battle . . .I’ve chosen mine.  Whether you join in mine or not is of no interest to me.  I do not know what God has called you to do.  However, I am trying to the best of my ability to fufill His call and follow His voice within my own life.

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