Very well put Seer! Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Two things you can count on though:
1. Carmela is not going to respond to your statements. She is a coward like that. She may pick apart a few sentences or other people’s comments but she will never directly address the issues you brought up.
2. Tony and his multiple ID’s will pollute this thread with his vitrolic and idiotic posts. But I think you already know that.
Good job!
Well, well look what Satan dragged in here today. Little miss 17 posts do not even pretend that you know me. Have I hurt your little feeling in the past and ignored your crazed rants, therefore you think I am a coward? LOL!
It is not that I am a coward. . .it is that you are a total waste of time and not worth my energy or even a second thought for that matter. In fact, I’ve wasted too much time and energy on you already. That is all.
Very well put Seer! Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Two things you can count on though:
1. Carmela is not going to respond to your statements. She is a coward like that. She may pick apart a few sentences or other people’s comments but she will never directly address the issues you brought up.
2. Tony and his multiple ID’s will pollute this thread with his vitrolic and idiotic posts. But I think you already know that.
Good job!
Well, well look what Satan dragged in here today. Little miss 17 posts do not even pretend that you know me. Have I hurt your little feeling in the past and ignored your crazed rants, therefore you think I am a coward? LOL!
It is not that I am a coward. . .it is that you are a total waste of time and not worth my energy or even a second thought for that matter. In fact, I’ve wasted too much time and energy on you already. That is all.
Very well put Seer! Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Two things you can count on though:
1. Carmela is not going to respond to your statements. She is a coward like that. She may pick apart a few sentences or other people’s comments but she will never directly address the issues you brought up.
2. Tony and his multiple ID’s will pollute this thread with his vitrolic and idiotic posts. But I think you already know that.
Good job!
Well, well look what Satan dragged in here today. Little miss 17 posts do not even pretend that you know me. Have I hurt your little feeling in the past and ignored your crazed rants, therefore you think I am a coward? LOL!
It is not that I am a coward. . .it is that you are a total waste of time and not worth my energy or even a second thought for that matter. In fact, I’ve wasted too much time and energy on you already. That is all.
Seriously, you can’t be that stupid.
Speaking of seriously stupid namjah or peachy how about cockroach you should stay back on the other threads, say OH! sports??????
You venture over here dear and the Doctor of Spank will get you.
Carmela...>>First of all you are assuming that I have “caught” the same revelation you have against Tony and Gabe.
Carmela, this is NOT a personal revelation. Their contradiction of the New Testament is so easy to see, discern, understand and pinpoint. Their erroneous doctrine (from an Evangelical point of view) is so obviously glaring that all Evangelicals trained in basic Christian doctrine should and would be able to spot without effort.
You’re an investigator? Put some of that to work and compare traditional Evangelical thought with what Tony, Gabe & crew are teaching.
Carmela...>>First of all you are assuming that I have “caught” the same revelation you have against Tony and Gabe.
Carmela, this is NOT a personal revelation. Their contradiction of the New Testament is so easy to see, discern, understand and pinpoint. Their erroneous doctrine (from an Evangelical point of view) is so obviously glaring that all Evangelicals trained in basic Christian doctrine should and would be able to spot without effort.
You’re an investigator? Put some of that to work and compare traditional Evangelical thought with what Tony, Gabe & crew are teaching.
Funny, it’s obvious that you’ve yet to prove anything against what we’ve said; in fact, you’re basically telling Carmela and the rest of the folks that since it’s so easy for you to see and discern, that all the rest of them must be stupid. I can tell you that these people do the research [except you] and that might have something to do with complaints being nill.
Of course, you’re real high on yourself aren’t you sunshine? No one need compare what we write with evangelical thought; all intelligent people need do is search the scriptures rather than listening to your apologist/liars with evangelical thought that can’t be proven any more than you’ve been able to prove what we say as false.
Once again, all you have are “word suggestions” with no biblical knowledge. Forget about your evangelical upbringing and start doing some research. I can tell you that the others have done it; that’s why they don’t say anything.
Carmela and friends, how does that make you feel to be told how easy something is to see and discern and yet you’re not able to see it?
Seer wrote: “Their erroneous doctrine (from an Evangelical point of view) is so obviously glaring that all Evangelicals trained in basic Christian doctrine should and would be able to spot without effort.”
You know me well enough Carmela; I’m not trying to bring up strife, but a point. If you don’t agree with this child, she attacks and questions your walk. THAT’S NOT COOL!!!
Hey sunshine; we’re still waiting on where those forums are located so your fellow apologists/liars can refute us. What did you say they were?
Carmela...>>First of all you are assuming that I have “caught” the same revelation you have against Tony and Gabe.
Carmela, this is NOT a personal revelation. Their contradiction of the New Testament is so easy to see, discern, understand and pinpoint. Their erroneous doctrine (from an Evangelical point of view) is so obviously glaring that all Evangelicals trained in basic Christian doctrine should and would be able to spot without effort.
You’re an investigator? Put some of that to work and compare traditional Evangelical thought with what Tony, Gabe & crew are teaching.
SEER WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE FOR YOU TO EXCEPT MY CHALLENGE???
PROVE TO ME AND EVERYONE ON THESE THREADS THAT WHAT YOU POST IS THE TRUTH ABOUT ME.
SHOW EVERYONE PLEASE, SCRIPTURE OR ARTICLES WHICH CAN SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM.
EITHER PUT UP OR SHUT UP SHOOOOO FLY YOUR A PAIN IN EVERYONES ASS WHICH IS WHAT YOU ABOUT ANYWAY. LEAVE OTHERS OUT OF THIS AND PROVE WHAT YOU SAY IF FACT.
Carmela...>>First of all you are assuming that I have “caught” the same revelation you have against Tony and Gabe.
Carmela, this is NOT a personal revelation. Their contradiction of the New Testament is so easy to see, discern, understand and pinpoint. Their erroneous doctrine (from an Evangelical point of view) is so obviously glaring that all Evangelicals trained in basic Christian doctrine should and would be able to spot without effort.
You’re an investigator? Put some of that to work and compare traditional Evangelical thought with what Tony, Gabe & crew are teaching.
Quite honestly, what I am discerning is a seek, separate and destroy tactic. Neither myself nor my investigative skills will become a part of that.
Carmela...>>First of all you are assuming that I have “caught” the same revelation you have against Tony and Gabe.
Carmela, this is NOT a personal revelation. Their contradiction of the New Testament is so easy to see, discern, understand and pinpoint. Their erroneous doctrine (from an Evangelical point of view) is so obviously glaring that all Evangelicals trained in basic Christian doctrine should and would be able to spot without effort.
You’re an investigator? Put some of that to work and compare traditional Evangelical thought with what Tony, Gabe & crew are teaching.
Quite honestly, what I am discerning is a seek, separate and destroy tactic. Neither myself nor my investigative skills will become a part of that.
Your right in what your stating Camerla and I personally find a very disturbed individual here. This has nothing to do with my belief’s as you can see I and Gabe have offered many times for this person to show us please in our writing or posted articles anything that would lead anyone away from the father. And as you can see nothing just more emptiness of heart and mind.
Carmela...>>First of all you are assuming that I have “caught” the same revelation you have against Tony and Gabe.
Carmela, this is NOT a personal revelation. Their contradiction of the New Testament is so easy to see, discern, understand and pinpoint. Their erroneous doctrine (from an Evangelical point of view) is so obviously glaring that all Evangelicals trained in basic Christian doctrine should and would be able to spot without effort.
You’re an investigator? Put some of that to work and compare traditional Evangelical thought with what Tony, Gabe & crew are teaching.
Quite honestly, what I am discerning is a seek, separate and destroy tactic. Neither myself nor my investigative skills will become a part of that.
Your right in what your stating Camerla and I personally find a very disturbed individual here. This has nothing to do with my belief’s as you can see I and Gabe have offered many times for this person to show us please in our writing or posted articles anything that would lead anyone away from the father. And as you can see nothing just more emptiness of heart and mind.
TO SEER AND FRIENDS,
I will throw my 2 cents worth in here. You keep asking why my team does not investigate Tony and Gabe. You call them a crew. There are only 2 of them.
1. To my knowledge they do not have a 501c3. If they do show me the documents.
We have resources to investigate the money grabbers. You have to understand the t.v. 6 are a multi billion dollar a year operation. Tony and Gabe are not on here raising money for their belief.
If they started quoting scripture and asked for money here, then I would have a problem.
2. We believe in free speech. It is thier right to believe what they want. As it is your right to believe what you want. What I am after is televangelist who use the weak to gain finances for themselves and then live extravagant lifestyles.
3. Tony and Gabe or their “crew” as you put it, are not to my knowledge living a lifestyle, with your tithe money.
4. If they have a corporation where they are the majority vote of the board of directors, send me the documents. ( Randy’s tribe interested me the most because of all his shell corporations)(Sworn Ddepositions full of lies) and (Many former members and staff were contacting me screaming ABUSE or Scam)
5. I, nor my team are going to waste valuable resources on a under multi-million dollar group.
6. We merely expose the truth behind the lies. What I am interested in is abuse of the 501c3.
7. We have gathered many documents from these forums from people who are or were abused by the t.v. 6.
8. If you want me to investigate “TONY and Crew” show me documents. You should know by now that I am a documents proving person.
9. Pm me the list of people that were abused by Tony’s church.
Do you have these documents?
Our team does not get involved unless you can prove these things. Show me documents! Otherwise, all Tony is doing is getting under your skin. I would think unless you knew him in a previous time that you would not waste time arguing.
If not please quit asking my team to get involved. This one is between your crew and his crew!
Send me the documents of the abuses and abused and we will get involved!
Carmela...>>Quite honestly, what I am discerning is a seek, separate and destroy tactic. Neither myself nor my investigative skills will become a part of that.
Carmela...it seems your investigative instincts are way off on this one. No one is suggesting a “seek, separate and destroy tactic” with Tony & Gabe, that’s overboard hysteria at work.
All I was saying if you, Ripped and crew call yourselves Evangelical believers, then make a stand for that belief and stand up for the Orthodox Christian Gospel. And your stance wouldn’t be for me but for those sheep who maybe duped by the Hebraic Roots teaching error.
Carmela...>>Quite honestly, what I am discerning is a seek, separate and destroy tactic. Neither myself nor my investigative skills will become a part of that.
Carmela...it seems your investigative instincts are way off on this one. No one is suggesting a “seek, separate and destroy tactic” with Tony & Gabe, that’s overboard hysteria at work.
All I was saying if you, Ripped and crew call yourselves Evangelical believers, then make a stand for that belief and stand up for the Orthodox Christian Gospel. And your stance wouldn’t be for me but for those sheep who maybe duped by the Hebraic Roots teaching error.
You’ve yet to prove anything cupcake. A lot of ranting and word suggestions is all you got. You’ve got no biblical ability and a little ability at using your words. You can’t answer challenging questions on scripture that are right there on the page; you avoid those. You only attack where you’re comfortable and in an area where you have some confidence.
Funny, why is no one seeing your position?
I don’t see Tony’s challenge being answered by you either. If and when you do come up with something [not you persona to answer anything difficult] it’ll be another ridiculous rant.
I’m still waiting for your apologist/liar forum sites to engage in.
Carmela...>>Quite honestly, what I am discerning is a seek, separate and destroy tactic. Neither myself nor my investigative skills will become a part of that.
Carmela...it seems your investigative instincts are way off on this one. No one is suggesting a “seek, separate and destroy tactic” with Tony & Gabe, that’s overboard hysteria at work.
All I was saying if you, Ripped and crew call yourselves Evangelical believers, then make a stand for that belief and stand up for the Orthodox Christian Gospel. And your stance wouldn’t be for me but for those sheep who maybe duped by the Hebraic Roots teaching error.
You’ve yet to prove anything cupcake. A lot of ranting and word suggestions is all you got. You’ve got no biblical ability and a little ability at using your words. You can’t answer challenging questions on scripture that are right there on the page; you avoid those. You only attack where you’re comfortable and in an area where you have some confidence.
Funny, why is no one seeing your position?
I don’t see Tony’s challenge being answered by you either. If and when you do come up with something [not you persona to answer anything difficult] it’ll be another ridiculous rant.
I’m still waiting for your apologist/liar forum sites to engage in.
Dear Gabe/Tony, et al.:
Here’s some research for you . . .
seer Posted: 26 May 2008 05:52 PM
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Joined 2007-08-28
Newchairs..>>I respect your opinion that the other posters may have a doctorine that is contrary to yours
Can’t have it both ways. Their doctrine is not a matter of a few degrees off. It’s not like choosing between a Mcintosh apple and a Granny Smith apple.
Their belief is so radically different from orthodox Christian belief and history that they PREACH ANOTHER GOSPEL.
Research it yourself. Start with Galatians and read some commentary.
ps Do I think I’m an OT seer? Man, no I don’t. Just a concerned Christian who is pointing out very serious deception with these neo-judaizers.
pps Actually, like I said, even a new Christian can spot these guys and their false doctrines from miles away. Why can’t you?
seer states she/he is out to protect the new, baby Christians but as stated above even a new one can spot these guys, etc. so on . . .if this is true, what is the fuss about?
Quite frankly, I am bored with this and I have bigger fish to fry (a huge one, in fact) . . .See you guys later . . .enjoy your day!
Ripped...>> If you want me to investigate “TONY and Crew” show me documents. You should know by now that I am a documents proving person.
Ripped...I have NO desire at all for you to investigate Tony & Gabe. I don’t believe they’re criminals (at least I hope not).
The issue here is so simple.
My point is that they promote dangerous doctrine on this board (when viewed from a traditional Evangelical position). As I stated before, my concern is for the sake of the young, unstable or future Evangelical sheep. That’s it.
And yes, they have a free speech right to promote their doctrine.
But this doctrinal dispute is not a minor quibble within the Evangelical world.This difference in theology goes to the very heart of Christianity and it’s core beliefs.
Now since you and your investigative crew call yourselves Evangelicals and watchdogs for the Evangelical community and protectors of the sheep - well, protect. Make a stand for the traditional Evangelical position.
However, if you and your crew remain silent in defense of the Evagelical faith, then my original analysis was correct.
You’re only watchdogs barking up one tree. Because when it comes to the defense of Evangelical Theology, you and crew up to this point have dropped the ball.
Now if you and crew are only tv evangelist watchdogs, well so be it, that’s then who you are - but don’t pretend otherwise.
A possible solution:
I’m sure you know some good Evangelical apologists, send them to this board and let them examine Tony & Gabe’s doctrine. I think everyone will see that they’ll raise a red flag instead of a white flag in defense of the Evangelical faith.
ps What I meant by Tony Gabe and “crew” is that there’s a few more than Tony & Gabe. LOL...if not then we have a greater multi-personality, talking to oneself problem then I realized.
Carmla...>>seer states she/he is out to protect the new, baby Christians but as stated above even a new one can spot these guys, etc. so on . . .if this is true, what is the fuss about?
Your ignorance of Evangelical theology is showing.
And, yes, I do believe and young Christians grounded in basic Orthodox Christian theology can spot their erroneous teaching form miles away.
Carmla...>>seer states she/he is out to protect the new, baby Christians but as stated above even a new one can spot these guys, etc. so on . . .if this is true, what is the fuss about?
Your ignorance of Evangelical theology is showing.
And, yes, I do believe and young Christians grounded in basic Orthodox Christian theology can spot their erroneous teaching form miles away.
Why can’t you?
TURKEY BREATH IF YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY TO BE FACT THEN WHY DO YOU FEEL THEY NEED YOUR FAT LIPS STUCK TO YOUR MONITOR AND PESTERING EVERYONE???
THE FACT IS YOU KNOW YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM IS BASED ON A LIE FROM SUCH PEOPLE SUCH AS YOURSELF AND THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE A NEED TO LIE, DISTORT AND IMITATE OTHERS TO GO ALONG WITH YOUR WAY OF THINKING
. . .See you guys later . . .enjoy your day!