bridgeghost - 27 August 2009 10:03 AM

Is this an educational thread, or a thread with a personal vendetta?

ghost

Given the quality and quantity of my labors devoted to this thread, this thread is definitely educational and in memory of those who were murdered by the Nazis and those who otherwise suffered due to the Nazis. 

OhZone - 27 August 2009 12:45 PM

Paul, tell me your version of the conditions in the South right after the war.
Were the now x-soldiers without their civil rights?
Could they vote?
Could they hold office?
Were the Carpetbaggers Jews?
Did they direct the voting?
Would you say that the voting was fair?
Did the Carpetbagger Jews guide the illiterate black men who were put into office?



As to The-Oh-Zone; tell me what is it there that troubles you?

I’ve never said nor written that things were wonderful in the North nor in the South after the Civil War.

And thanks to the complete, eventual failure of Reconstruction, life got much worse for those of African origin as well as others.

You obviously are antisemetic given some of your questions above. 

You have ceased even attempting to hide your hatred of the Jews.

So you think that the part the Jews played in the “reconstruction” was that of loving angels?

So you love those Jews for what they did?

Do you think I might be justified in hating them for their nefarious activities?
I don’t just hate those Jews for what they did, I hate everyone in the chain of command that brought the South to ruin after that war of Northern agression.

Ii was not necessary to burn Atlanta after they had surrendered.

Maybe you should learn History from other than government approved works.

OhZone - 26 September 2009 06:29 PM

So you think that the part the Jews played in the “reconstruction” was that of loving angels?

So you love those Jews for what they did?

Do you think I might be justified in hating them for their nefarious activities?

I don’t just hate those Jews for what they did, I hate everyone in the chain of command that brought the South to ruin after that war of Northern agression.

Ii was not necessary to burn Atlanta after they had surrendered.

Maybe you should learn History from other than government approved works.

Just admit it, Oh Zone, you hate Jews. 

And you hate Jews of any time in history, not just reconstruction. 

But why exactly do you hate Jews in all of history?

That is the real issue with you.  Hatred of Jews. 

The burning of Atlanta by General Sherman and his soldiers was before the surrender of the rebellion.

Jews have and always will be the detriment of society. they alone are responsible for ALL the wars past, present and future.

Dave

Here is one to remember Paul:

“Anti-semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group.
The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world…
the root cause is their use of enemies they create in order to keep their own solidarity..”
Albert Einstein, quoted in Collier’s Magazine, Novermber 26, 1938

I don’t really think they mind being hated.  It has kept their group in tact for a very long time. hasn’t it?

That’s some strong language there Paul.  Are you sure that you are reading me right.
I don’t really hate the people.  I hate what some of them do.
Are you attempting to control what I think about things?
Do I need your permission to love or hate or simply dislike whomever I please?

Should I love all Jews?
Do you like what they have done to this country?
I have already showed you that they are in high places in government and that they control the media.
Do you like the influence that TV has on people?
Do you like the influence in clothing styles that they have brought?
LIke those hip hugger pants with the belly button exposed and maybe more.
How about those G-string bathing suits?
How about those really old-fashioned one piece bathing suits?
Like the one below?

Do you think that the morals of the younger generation are Ok, or was it better 40 years ago?

No, I do not support slavery.
Does hateing Jews equate to being in favor of Slavery?
THe Civil war was NOT over slavery.  If you think so, you have been seriously misled.

Remember that Slavery was carried on under the Stars and Stripes.

OhZone - 06 October 2009 06:57 PM

I don’t really think they mind being hated.  It has kept their group in tact for a very long time. hasn’t it?

Pogroms and mass murder of millions???????  That is not what you call “kept their group intact”.

In the United States, for many years there was (and obviously still is thanks to you and others) prejudice in obtaining work, where one can reside, etc.  Most of these issues were in large part solved by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and United States Supreme Court decisions. 

That’s some strong language there Paul.  Are you sure that you are reading me right.

That’s why I’m asking you the question.

I don’t really hate the people.  I hate what some of them do.
Are you attempting to control what I think about things?

Now that statement is simply bizarre.


Do I need your permission to love or hate or simply dislike whomever I please?

Now that statement is also simply bizarre.

Should I love all Jews?

You are going to do what you are going to do.

Do you like what they have done to this country?

Many Jews have made the United States of America a much better country.

I have already showed you that they are in high places in government and that they control the media..

So?  “They” control only portions of the “media”.  So?

To reiterate: 

That is the real issue with you.  Hatred of Jews. 

Oh Zone,

Thank you for your clarification regarding slavery.

Next question:  Should all Americans, including the decendents of slaves, have equal rights in the United States of America?

I am attempting to better understand your worldview.

Paul writes: “Next question: Should all Americans, including the decendents of slaves, have equal rights in the United States of America? “

**** Rather a foolish question I would say.  Of course everyone should have equal rights.
And I do mean equal. There should not be “Affirmative Action” that gives women and minorities first consideration for jobs of any kind.  This should be on the basis of merit or in the case of awarding contracts to whomever would have gotten them based on; usually the $$$.

quoting Paul: “To reiterate:
Just admit it, Oh Zone, you hate Jews.
And do you hate Jews of any time in history?
But why exactly do you hate Jews in all of history?
That is the real issue with you. Hatred of Jews.”

****(sigh) Paul, you seem to have a problem here, with either reading comprehension or you are just plain biased to where you see hate everywhere you look.
Stating facts about anyone or group of any race is not hate.

Criticizing is not the same as hate.

Doesn’t it make you wonder WHY Jews have been the subject of distrust and suspicion for so many years?

.Paul says"” Many Jews have made the United States of America a much better country.”

****Maybe you would like to tell me exactly how they made the USA a better country?
They have been bleeding us ever since they came here.
Now that is not a statement of hate; it is a fact.

Do you think that the Jews hate the Palestinians?  Are you going to label them “Anti-Semite? And complain that they are haters?

BTW, have you ever read any of the Talmud?
What do you think of it?

this statement makes it very clear.........

WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA. AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT.”

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon
October 3, 2001
(IAP News)

100% fact.

Dave

Below are just a few of the books that prove conclusively and absolutely false the assertions of the Holocaust deniers and their ilk of Nazis, Neo-Nazis, racists, etc. 

These books describe in great detail with the appropriate documentation the facts of the Holocaust and related matters vs. the lies and fabrications of the Holocaust deniers. 

History on Trial: My Day in Court with a Holocaust Denier (P.S.) by Deborah E. Lipstadt.  The trial was the result of David Irving suing Lipstadt for libel in England.  The judge’s over 400 page decision totally destroyed Irving’s Holocaust denying “scholarship” and showed him to be the liar that he and other Holocaust deniers are. 

The book that Irving sued about is Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory by Lipstadt.

Among the expert witnesses at the trial, some have written books based upon their research and conclusions regarding the Holocaust and regarding Irving:

The Case for Auschwitz: Evidence from the Irving Trial by Robert Jan van Pelt.

Lying About Hitler: History, Holocaust Holocaust And The David Irving Trial by Richard J. Evans.

Aother excellent resource among thousands is:

The Years of Extermination: Nazi Germany and the Jews, 1939-1945 by Saul Friedlander.

I really wouldn’t consider that Book or that Judge’s opinion to be the last word in the matter.
There are also books that have an opposite story.

David Irving is not the only one exposing this Hoax.

Why don’t you read “The Holocaust Industry”, by the Jew, Norman Finkelstein.
You do belive in being Fair and Balanced, don’t you.

Also you are totally ignoring the physical situation of the time.
Such as the fact that the Allies had bombed the supply lines so that food an medicine could not be delivered.  How healty a place do you think any city, town, camp or other gathering of lots of people would be under such circumstances?

What ever in the world makes you think that Germany who was fighting a War on Two Fronts had the Time and the Resources to put so mucgh effort into killing people who presumably were prisoners?

And those “Ovens” that they talk about ---- do you really think that they were used to kill people?
Have you ever considered that they were likely the Crematory?
People were dying from diseases.  The bodies ahd to be disposed of.

How about the population figures on that Jewish web site.....did you even look at it?
If so why did you ignore it.  Do you think they would not be honest in their reporting?

This seems to have become a religion to you.  You must be Jewish.

For those sincerely interested in history:

Below are just a few of the books that prove conclusively and absolutely false the assertions of the Holocaust deniers and their ilk of Nazis, Neo-Nazis, racists, etc. 

These books describe in great detail with the appropriate documentation the facts of the Holocaust and related matters vs. the lies and fabrications of the Holocaust deniers. 

History on Trial: My Day in Court with a Holocaust Denier (P.S.) by Deborah E. Lipstadt.  The trial was the result of David Irving suing Lipstadt for libel in England.  The judge’s over 400 page decision totally destroyed Irving’s Holocaust denying “scholarship” and showed him to be the liar that he and other Holocaust deniers are. 

The book that Irving sued about is Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory by Lipstadt.

Among the expert witnesses at the trial, some have written books based upon their research and conclusions regarding the Holocaust and regarding Irving:

The Case for Auschwitz: Evidence from the Irving Trial by Robert Jan van Pelt.

Lying About Hitler: History, Holocaust Holocaust And The David Irving Trial by Richard J. Evans.

Aother excellent resource among thousands is:

The Years of Extermination: Nazi Germany and the Jews, 1939-1945 by Saul Friedlander.

These books demolish the lies and distortions like those of Oh Zone.

No need for me to further respond as the authors of these books have done the hard and laborious work of factually debunking Irving, Oh Zone and others of their ilk.

OhZone - 24 October 2009 05:01 PM

I really wouldn’t consider that Book or that Judge’s opinion to be the last word in the matter.
There are also books that have an opposite story.

David Irving is not the only one exposing this Hoax.

Why don’t you read “The Holocaust Industry”, by the Jew, Norman Finkelstein.
You do belive in being Fair and Balanced, don’t you.

Also you are totally ignoring the physical situation of the time.
Such as the fact that the Allies had bombed the supply lines so that food an medicine could not be delivered.  How healty a place do you think any city, town, camp or other gathering of lots of people would be under such circumstances?

What ever in the world makes you think that Germany who was fighting a War on Two Fronts had the Time and the Resources to put so mucgh effort into killing people who presumably were prisoners?

And those “Ovens” that they talk about ---- do you really think that they were used to kill people?
Have you ever considered that they were likely the Crematory?
People were dying from diseases.  The bodies ahd to be disposed of.

How about the population figures on that Jewish web site.....did you even look at it?
If so why did you ignore it.  Do you think they would not be honest in their reporting?

This seems to have become a religion to you.  You must be Jewish.

The books cited definitively prove that you and Irving are liars.  Each point that you assert is definitvely defeated by the authors of these books and the facts that defeated Irving at trial.  Same old, same old lies. 

I am not Jewish.

Paul you are also calling Norman Finkelstein a liar?
He is exposing the Jews who are using the “holocaust” to extort money from wherever they can get it.  They have made an industry of it.

Video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BaJCRXsgt4
Interview with Dr. Finkelstein

You might also want to look at this one.
How much Us $$$$ to Israel?
And are you in favor of this?
Or do you think that this money could have been better spent here at home?
Who is more important to you; US Citizens or Israeli Jews?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8A6oXdjkhY&feature=related

How about Ernst Zundel
Shame on Germany for their detested Holocaust Lobby Protection
Paragraph imprisoning revisionist researchers for “thought crimes” ! -
Weg mit dem verabscheuten deutschen Gesetz zum Schutz der
Holocaust-Lobby - mißbraucht zur Inhaftierung von Revisionisten
wegen “Gedankenverbrechen” !-
http://www.revisionists.com/revisionists/zundel.html

Gerd Honsik
http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=1644

Sylvia Stolz
http://www.zundelsite.org/news_english/0019Sylvia.html

Dr.Frederick Tobin
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/stories/s224007.htm

Wolfgang Frohlich
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n2p58_Swiss.html

Bishop Richard Williamson
http://www.zundelsite.org/news_english/0027abrahamovicz.html

Germar Rudolf
http://www.germarrudolf.com/persecute/

Robert Faurisson
Robert Faurisson, 60, suffered broken jaw and ribs and severe head injuries in the attack by three Jewish thugs while walking his dog in Vichy, Sep 17, 1989
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Faurisson/

Paul, do you think people should go to jail for questioning the “holocaust” event?

People deny Jesus all the time.  In the last 100 years anyway, none of them have been treated so badly as these people have been.
Why do you suppose that is?

So, just who are the haters here?  The researchers seeking the Truth, or those who do not want investigations at all? 
The Jews stand to gain if there are no investigations, don’t they?
They stand to lose a lot if Their Story is revealed as Falsse, don’t they?